Complete newbie, help please...

[Capn Trips]

I have just reset the remote: Magic (**) 981.

I used IR to download the settings. It has chosen this RDF:

URC-7550 Black 5 Device/7552 Silver 5 Device/7560-B01 Black 6 Device/7562 Silver 6 Device One for All

I believe that is the EBV0EB1? What does this mean then? The code inside the battery cover says URC-7562 B00 (C F9X CF-C0C9 DC).

It just means that YOUR remote is a URC-7562 B00 and uses that rdf. Soo now you know what rdf to use.

So what is the next level?

I was trying to program the remote to control these devices (before I was rudely interupted by the remote going into 'no response' mode):

1 Panasonic TV, 2 Yamaha AV reciever, 3 Humax PVR, 4 No name Xbox, 5 Metronic Sat, 6 Philips CD player.

I know there are no codes for the Humax yet (but aldaweb submitted this https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2687 file).

My plan was to upgrade my remote via the OFA site with wav's, delete the unwanted codes using the cable and IR and install the Humax controls from above... Is this the simplest way without getting 'nitty-gritty' with this JP1 business?

If you think downloading a bunch of upgrades via wav, wading through them to decide which one is best, deleting the remaining ones, and then repeating this for 5 devices is somehow "simplest", I would respectfully disagree with you. That sounds like a very time-consuming process, and you still end up with upgrades that OFA made, that may not be exactly to your liking.

As for fearing the "nitty-gritty' of the JP1 tools, you're already there! 8) You're already using IR to talk to your remote. You will HAVE to use RM to use that Humax file you've located. (If you wish, you can choose KM instead, and there's another Humax file that is a KM file). The main differences are for KM, you must have Excel installed and the Analysis Toolpack add-in installed. For RM, you must install (free download) Java Runtime Environment. RM provides a more intuitive input, but it depends on you which you prefer. You might as well locate upgrades for EACH of your devices in the file section, tailor them to your taste in RM, and upload them all to your remote (and I'd wager it will be more efficient and provide an end result you like better than 5 OFA-created upgrades).

1 Panasonic TV, (21 Panny upgrades to choose from)
2 Yamaha AV reciever, (28 Yamaha upgrades)
3 Humax PVR, you've found above - there's another you might use that's a KM file rather than an RM file
4 No name Xbox,
5 Metronic Sat,
6 Philips CD player(3 choices)

I didn't see any upgrades for the Metronic nor the xBox, but with IR and a learning remote, creating upgrades from scratch is pretty simple too, once you've got all of the tools installed.

[gfb107]

There are some XBox upgrades in the DVD section of the Files area.

[whompus]

These codes are listed for your metronic sat,
0421, 0243, 0613, 0288, 0520, 0084, 0818, 0885.

[son_t]

I knew I wouldn't be able to get away with a half baked plan like that!

Here goes... some newbie impressions and questions.

As I understand it from reading Beginners - read this thread first:

There are 3 programs: IR, KM and RM. I need to use either KM or RM in conjunction with IR. With some people using (making codes) with KM and some people using RM - so I might have to use both with IR depending on which format the device codes are in. Is this right?

KM and RM are used to create and edit device upgrade files - are there any other types of files (can they create other types of files)? Which part of KM or RM data do I load (copy/paste) into IR to create my device (and where to I put this data in IR)? For example if I used the rmdu file for the Humax?

[son_t]

These codes are listed for your metronic sat,
0421, 0243, 0613, 0288, 0520, 0084, 0818, 0885.

Are these the codes in the remote already? (i.e. assigning a device button using one of these codes - Device/MAGIC(**)/CODE) or are they some kind of JP1 codes?

[whompus]

I say starting out learn rm and ir first. Rm will work with both km and rm upgrades. It gets better with each update also. It seems to be easyest to learn as well. That may just be because I dont use excel.

Km may be a good idea to learn as well if you do use or at least have excel.

The codes I posted are build in codes.

Also in the read this thread first read the just how easy is it.

[The Robman]

There are 3 programs: IR, KM and RM. I need to use either KM or RM in conjunction with IR. With some people using (making codes) with KM and some people using RM - so I might have to use both with IR depending on which format the device codes are in. Is this right?

Most of the upgrade files were created using KM. KM can only read KM files but RM can read both RM and KM files.

KM and RM are used to create and edit device upgrade files - are there any other types of files (can they create other types of files)?

No

Which part of KM or RM data do I load (copy/paste) into IR to create my device (and where to I put this data in IR)? For example if I used the rmdu file for the Humax?

Please read the following pages which answer this question:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1/help/
http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1/help/rm.shtml

[Capn Trips]

These codes are listed for your metronic sat,
0421, 0243, 0613, 0288, 0520, 0084, 0818, 0885.

Are these the codes in the remote already? (i.e. assigning a device button using one of these codes - Device/MAGIC(**)/CODE) or are they some kind of JP1 codes?

These are built-in setup codes that may or may not be resident in your remote. Give them a try. You have nothing to lose.

There are 3 programs: IR, KM and RM. I need to use either KM or RM in conjunction with IR. With some people using (making codes) with KM and some people using RM - so I might have to use both with IR depending on which format the device codes are in. Is this right?

Correct, EXCEPT if you wish to use just one (of RM and KM), I'd opt for RM, since it can import KM-formatted upgrades, whilst KM cannot import RM-formatted upgrades.

KM and RM are used to create and edit device upgrade files - are there any other types of files (can they create other types of files)?

No. The only purpose of either of these programs is to create upgrade data that you can copy and paste into IR for subsequent upload to your remote.

Which part of KM or RM data do I load (copy/paste) into IR to create my device (and where to I put this data in IR)? For example if I used the rmdu file for the Humax?

When you have opened and/or built/modified an upgrade in either KM or RM, they provide a panel which contains the coded data for you to cut and paste into IR. In KM, this is on the first worksheet, where you must copy and paste the device upgrade data - which may include some automatically-generated keymoves - into the corresponding panel in the Device tab of IR. IR automatically takes these data and populates the appropriate fields, so it's a single "copy-and-Paste" operation for the whole device upgrade with its embedded keymoves. In RM, these data are generated on the last tab (Output). Sometimes you may have to copy and paste an additional piece of code from either program into IR if your remote does not already have the PROTOCOL for yor upgrade - same process, it's really simplified in the programs for you.

Go ahead, take the plunge - you know you want to!

[gfb107]

For detailed instructions on loading a device upgrade file into RM and then copy'n'pasting into IR, see JP1 - Just How Easy Is It? (for RM users). You might also want to take a look at the KM version of that document.

[Capn Trips]

Well, here's what I threw together from the files linked above in oh, about 45 minutes.

Lots of guesses that may prove wrong (like I used the Panasonic HDTV master file, and arbitrarily chose SAT:0885 from whompus' list above), so some might not work at all, or button maps might not be complete or to your liking.

Give it a try and see if ANYTHING works for you. Then you can tweak the rest yourself - I'll be happy to post the individual upgrades if you tell me they work or want to tinker. (If I knew how, I'd zip them all together, but I didn't want to upload six different files yet)

[The Robman]

(If I knew how, I'd zip them all together, but I didn't want to upload six different files yet)

You can download a free "evaluation" copy of Winzip from here:
http://www.winzip.com

[gfb107]

Or just use the truly free 7-zip http://www.7-zip.org

[son_t]

Hey! Thanks for all the replies and help...

Thanks for your effort Capn Trips but I'm afraid nothing worked except the Humax... can't blame you for it since you didn't know the model of the devices... to assume I had a HD Pana TV !

Here are the details for reference:
TV Panasonic TX-28PM12
AVR Yamaha RX-V457
CD Philips CD620
SAT Metronic AccessBox
XBOX No-name controller
PVR Humax 9200T

When I was trying to break the remote via the OFA website modem upgrade, I found that downloading the metronic and xbox wav file worked ( https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2730 ) to some extent. The SAT worked as wanted but the XBOX controls were lacking most of the buttons - especially the SELECT button - I use XBMC and I could live without the other keys since the arrows worked, but no SELECT or CONFIRM was taking the piss! I couldn't teach the remote either since the buttons were taken up by non-effective buttons!

Anyway what I'm trying to say is the XBOX codes found in the files section does not work or are less effective than the OFA upgrade.

What I attempted to do myself earlier was to use the RM files in the files section for the devices I had and combine them to work on the remote. Nothing worked accept for the Humax and I think it was all down to the other codes not specifically for my URC-7562 remote. When using RM, I saw that you could switch remotes and I did that hoping I could return and fix the non-transferred functions. But this attempt didn't work.

I will have to read the documents you have all pointed to and figure out how to do combine all the devices together...

I just need to combine the Metronic, Xbox and Humax. I have found the built-in codes for the TV (0650), CD (0157) and AVR (0143) which I could live with to some extent. However I would like to remove and add a few functions to these using the learning feature, but that can come later once I get my head around RM and IR.

Cheers!

[Capn Trips]

... However I would like to remove and add a few functions to these using the learning feature, but that can come later once I get my head around RM and IR.

I repeat my advice from several posts back:

..., but with IR and a learning remote, creating upgrades from scratch is pretty simple too, once you've got all of the tools installed.

It is GROSSLY inefficient and MUCH more of a pain to keep track of what you're doing by piece-mealing together and mixing built-in codes with learned codes.

Learn your codes, and build/tailor your upgrades to be exactly what you want. Period. End of story.

If you run short of upgrade space, then you might consider using a built-in code or two that is/are relatively close, and supplement with KeyMoves, rather than learning.

My two cents.

[The Robman]

When I was trying to break the remote via the OFA website modem upgrade, I found that downloading the metronic and xbox wav file worked to some extent. The SAT worked as wanted but the XBOX controls were lacking most of the buttons - especially the SELECT button - I use XBMC and I could live without the other keys since the arrows worked, but no SELECT or CONFIRM was taking the piss! I couldn't teach the remote either since the buttons were taken up by non-effective buttons!

There are 12 upgrades in that WAV file, which upgrade worked each device.