How to make upgrade from lirc conf file for iMON-PAD remote

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How to make upgrade from lirc conf file for iMON-PAD remote

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I have bought SilverStone LC10M HTPC case that comes with remote and IR rceiver. This remote is what they call iMON-PAD, this remote uses some kind of 'short' signal protocol as per manufacturer. I searched in this forum and noticed that someone created device upgrade for earlier version of remote that used NEC protocol. He used .conf file from lirc project. https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2627

The new version of iMon-PAD uses NEC-type protocol with different timings. I have .conf file from lirc project. I have no clue about how to use this file to create protocol upgrade and device upgrade. Pros, please help.

By the way, I have already tried to "learn" the IR commands from iMON-PAD remote to my 8910 but no luck. None of the learned commands have protocol information.

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# Please make this file available to others
# by sending it to <lirc@bartelmus.de>
#
# this config file was automatically generated
# using lirc-0.7.1pre2(imon) on Tue Mar  1 23:15:44 2005
#
# brand:                       iMON-New
# model no. of remote control: iMON-PAD
# devices being controlled by this remote:
#

begin remote

  name     iMON-PAD
  bits           24
  eps            30
  aeps          100

  one             0     0
  zero            0     0
  post_data_bits  8
  post_data      0xB7
  gap          235965
  min_repeat      1
  toggle_bit      29


      begin codes
          AppExit                  0x288195
     Power                    0x289115
          Record                   0x298115
          Play                     0x2A8115
          SlowMotion               0x29B195
          Rewind                   0x2A8195
          Pause                    0x2A9115
          FastForward              0x2B8115
          PrevChapter              0x2B9115
          Stop                     0x2B9715
          NextChapter              0x298195
          Esc                      0x2BB715
          Eject                    0x299395
          AppLauncher              0x29B715
          MultiMon                 0x2AB195
          TaskSwitcher             0x2A9395
          Mute                     0x2B9595
          Vol+                     0x28A395
          Vol-                     0x28A595
          Ch+                      0x289395
          Ch-                      0x288795
          Timer                    0x2B8395
          1                        0x28B595
          2                        0x2BB195
          3                        0x28B195
          4                        0x2A8595
          5                        0x299595
          6                        0x2AA595
          7                        0x2B9395
          8                        0x2A8515
          9                        0x2AA115
          0                        0x2BA595
          ShiftTab                 0x28B515
          Tab                      0x29A115
          MyMovie                  0x2B8515
          MyMusic                  0x299195
          MyPhoto                  0x2BA115
          MyTV                     0x28A515
          Bookmark                 0x288515
          Thumbnail                0x2AB715
          AspectRatio              0x29A595
          FullScreen               0x2AA395
          MyDVD                    0x29A295
          Menu                     0x2BA385
          Caption                  0x298595
          Language                 0x2B8595
          MouseKeyboard            0x299115
          SelectSpace              0x2A9315
          MouseMenu                0x28B715
          Enter                    0x28A195
          WindowsKey               0x2B8195
          Backspace                0x28A115
          MouseRightClick          0x688481
          MouseLeftClick           0x688301
          MouseNW                  0x6B0281
          MouseNW                  0x6B02C1
          MouseNW                  0x6B0A89
          MouseNW                  0x6B0AC9
          MouseNW                  0x6B0AF1
          MouseNW                  0x6B1291
          MouseNW                  0x6B12D1
          MouseNW                  0x6B12E1
          MouseNW                  0x6B1A99
          MouseNW                  0x6B1AE9
          MouseNW                  0x6B22A1
          MouseNW                  0x6B22C1
          MouseNW                  0x6B22E1
          MouseNW                  0x6B2AA9
          MouseNW                  0x6B2AC9
          MouseNW                  0x6B2AE9
          MouseNW                  0x6B32B1
          MouseNW                  0x6B32D1
          MouseNW                  0x6B32F1
          MouseNW                  0x6B4281
          MouseNW                  0x6B42A1
          MouseNW                  0x6B42C1
          MouseNW                  0x6B4A89
          MouseNW                  0x6B4AA9
          MouseNW                  0x6B4AC9
          MouseNW                  0x6B5291
          MouseNW                  0x6B52B1
          MouseNW                  0x6B52D1
          MouseNW                  0x6B6291
          MouseNW                  0x6B62A1
          MouseNW                  0x6B62E1
          MouseNW                  0x6B6A99
          MouseNW                  0x6B6AA9
          MouseNW                  0x6B6AE9
          MouseNW                  0x6B7289
          MouseNW                  0x6B72B1
          MouseNW                  0x6B72F1
          MouseN                   0x690281
          MouseN                   0x690289
          MouseN                   0x690291
          MouseN                   0x690299
          MouseN                   0x6902A1
          MouseN                   0x6902A9
          MouseN                   0x6902B1
          MouseN                   0x6902B9
          MouseN                   0x6902C1
          MouseN                   0x6902C9
          MouseN                   0x6902D1
          MouseN                   0x6902D9
          MouseN                   0x6902E1
          MouseN                   0x6902E9
          MouseN                   0x6902F1
          MouseN                   0x6902F9
          MouseN                   0x694281
          MouseN                   0x694289
          MouseN                   0x694291
          MouseN                   0x6942A1
          MouseN                   0x6942B1
          MouseN                   0x6942C1
          MouseN                   0x6942D1
          MouseN                   0x6942E1
          MouseN                   0x6942F1
          MouseN                   0x6B7A81
          MouseN                   0x6B7A89
          MouseN                   0x6B7A91
          MouseN                   0x6B7AA1
          MouseN                   0x6B7AB1
          MouseN                   0x6B7AC1
          MouseN                   0x6B7AD1
          MouseN                   0x6B7AE1
          MouseN                   0x6B7AF1
          MouseNE                  0x690A89
          MouseNE                  0x690AC9
          MouseNE                  0x690AF1
          MouseNE                  0x691299
          MouseNE                  0x6912E9
          MouseNE                  0x691A91
          MouseNE                  0x691AD1
          MouseNE                  0x691AE1
          MouseNE                  0x692AB1
          MouseNE                  0x692AD1
          MouseNE                  0x692AF1
          MouseNE                  0x6932A9
          MouseNE                  0x6932C9
          MouseNE                  0x6932E9
          MouseNE                  0x693AA1
          MouseNE                  0x693AC1
          MouseNE                  0x693AE1
          MouseNE                  0x694A89
          MouseNE                  0x694AB1
          MouseNE                  0x694AF1
          MouseNE                  0x695299
          MouseNE                  0x6952A9
          MouseNE                  0x6952E9
          MouseNE                  0x695A91
          MouseNE                  0x695AA1
          MouseNE                  0x695AE1
          MouseNE                  0x696A91
          MouseNE                  0x696AB1
          MouseNE                  0x696AD1
          MouseNE                  0x697289
          MouseNE                  0x6972A9
          MouseNE                  0x6972C9
          MouseNE                  0x697A81
          MouseNE                  0x697AA1
          MouseNE                  0x697AC1
          MouseE                   0x688A81
          MouseE                   0x688AC1
          MouseE                   0x689281
          MouseE                   0x689A81
          MouseE                   0x689AC1
          MouseE                   0x68A281
          MouseE                   0x68AA81
          MouseE                   0x68AAC1
          MouseE                   0x68B281
          MouseE                   0x68BA81
          MouseE                   0x68BAC1
          MouseE                   0x68C281
          MouseE                   0x68CA81
          MouseE                   0x68CAC1
          MouseE                   0x68D281
          MouseE                   0x68DA81
          MouseE                   0x68DAC1
          MouseE                   0x68E281
          MouseE                   0x68EA81
          MouseE                   0x68EAC1
          MouseE                   0x68F281
          MouseE                   0x68FA81
          MouseE                   0x68FAC1
          MouseE                   0x690AF9
          MouseE                   0x691AF9
          MouseE                   0x692AF9
          MouseE                   0x693AF9
          MouseE                   0x694AF9
          MouseE                   0x695AF9
          MouseE                   0x696AF9
          MouseE                   0x697AF9
          MouseSE                  0x688A89
          MouseSE                  0x688AC9
          MouseSE                  0x688AF1
          MouseSE                  0x689291
          MouseSE                  0x6892D1
          MouseSE                  0x689A99
          MouseSE                  0x689AD9
          MouseSE                  0x689AE9
          MouseSE                  0x68AAA9
          MouseSE                  0x68AAC9
          MouseSE                  0x68AAE9
          MouseSE                  0x68B2B1
          MouseSE                  0x68B2D1
          MouseSE                  0x68B2F1
          MouseSE                  0x68BAB9
          MouseSE                  0x68BAD9
          MouseSE                  0x68BAF9
          MouseSE                  0x68CA89
          MouseSE                  0x68CAA9
          MouseSE                  0x68CAC9
          MouseSE                  0x68D291
          MouseSE                  0x68D2B1
          MouseSE                  0x68D2D1
          MouseSE                  0x68DA99
          MouseSE                  0x68DAB9
          MouseSE                  0x68DAD9
          MouseSE                  0x68EA99
          MouseSE                  0x68EAA9
          MouseSE                  0x68EAE9
          MouseSE                  0x68F289
          MouseSE                  0x68F2B1
          MouseSE                  0x68F2F1
          MouseSE                  0x68FAB9
          MouseSE                  0x68FAF9
          MouseS                   0x688289
          MouseS                   0x688291
          MouseS                   0x688299
          MouseS                   0x6882A1
          MouseS                   0x6882A9
          MouseS                   0x6882B1
          MouseS                   0x6882B9
          MouseS                   0x6882C1
          MouseS                   0x6882C9
          MouseS                   0x6882D1
          MouseS                   0x6882D9
          MouseS                   0x6882E1
          MouseS                   0x6882E9
          MouseS                   0x6882F1
          MouseS                   0x6882F9
          MouseS                   0x68C289
          MouseS                   0x68C299
          MouseS                   0x68C2A9
          MouseS                   0x68C2B9
          MouseS                   0x68C2C9
          MouseS                   0x68C2D9
          MouseS                   0x68C2E9
          MouseS                   0x68C2F9
          MouseS                   0x6AFA89
          MouseS                   0x6AFA99
          MouseS                   0x6AFAA9
          MouseS                   0x6AFAB9
          MouseS                   0x6AFAC9
          MouseS                   0x6AFAD9
          MouseS                   0x6AFAE9
          MouseS                   0x6AFAF9
          MouseSW                  0x6A82F9
          MouseSW                  0x6A8A89
          MouseSW                  0x6A8AC9
          MouseSW                  0x6A8AF1
          MouseSW                  0x6A9299
          MouseSW                  0x6A92D9
          MouseSW                  0x6A92E9
          MouseSW                  0x6A9A91
          MouseSW                  0x6A9AD1
          MouseSW                  0x6AA2B9
          MouseSW                  0x6AA2D9
          MouseSW                  0x6AA2F9
          MouseSW                  0x6AAAB1
          MouseSW                  0x6AAAD1
          MouseSW                  0x6AAAF1
          MouseSW                  0x6AB2A9
          MouseSW                  0x6AB2C9
          MouseSW                  0x6AB2E9
          MouseSW                  0x6AC2B9
          MouseSW                  0x6AC2F9
          MouseSW                  0x6ACA89
          MouseSW                  0x6ACAB1
          MouseSW                  0x6ACAF1
          MouseSW                  0x6AD299
          MouseSW                  0x6AD2A9
          MouseSW                  0x6AD2E9
          MouseSW                  0x6AE299
          MouseSW                  0x6AE2B9
          MouseSW                  0x6AE2D9
          MouseSW                  0x6AEA91
          MouseSW                  0x6AEAB1
          MouseSW                  0x6AEAD1
          MouseSW                  0x6AF289
          MouseSW                  0x6AF2A9
          MouseSW                  0x6AF2C9
          MouseW                   0x6A8281
          MouseW                   0x6A82C1
          MouseW                   0x6A8A81
          MouseW                   0x6A8AC1
          MouseW                   0x6A9281
          MouseW                   0x6A92C1
          MouseW                   0x6A9A81
          MouseW                   0x6AA281
          MouseW                   0x6AA2C1
          MouseW                   0x6AAA81
          MouseW                   0x6AB281
          MouseW                   0x6AB2C1
          MouseW                   0x6ABA81
          MouseW                   0x6AC281
          MouseW                   0x6AC2C1
          MouseW                   0x6ACA81
          MouseW                   0x6AD281
          MouseW                   0x6AD2C1
          MouseW                   0x6ADA81
          MouseW                   0x6AE281
          MouseW                   0x6AE2C1
          MouseW                   0x6AEA81
          MouseW                   0x6AF281
          MouseW                   0x6AF2C1
          MouseW                   0x6AFA81
          MouseW                   0x6B02F9
          MouseW                   0x6B0AF9
          MouseW                   0x6B12F9
          MouseW                   0x6B22F9
          MouseW                   0x6B32F9
          MouseW                   0x6B42F9
          MouseW                   0x6B52F9
          MouseW                   0x6B62F9
          MouseW                   0x6B72F9

      end codes

end remote
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Post by gfb107 »

It might help the experts if you upload your saved IR file (the one with the learned signals that didn't decode properly) to the Diagnosis Area.
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Post by pjigar »

I will post the IR file tomorrow. Thanks.
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Re: How to make upgrade from lirc conf file for iMON-PAD rem

Post by johnsfine »

pjigar wrote: The new version of iMon-PAD uses NEC-type protocol with different timings.
Not just different timings. To the extent I understand that Lirc file, it describes a protocol that is about as different from NEC as you could get and still be IR. If you actually meant something by "NEC-type", please explain.

I expect the actual protocol is related to RC6. It might even match the RC6 varient used in other HTPC remotes. But there are parts of that Lirc file that don't match my understanding of a how an RC6 varient would be represented in Lirc. Also, any fairly up-to-date version of DecodeIr would have identified any reasonable RC6 varient.

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  one             0     0
  zero            0     0
I'm especially confused by what those 0's mean.

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  toggle_bit      29
and 29 is a surprising position for the toggle bit.

Hopefully, I'll have some time to look at the learned signals you said you'd post.
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Post by pjigar »

The new version of iMon-PAD uses NEC-type protocol with different timings.
Well actually this was said by someone in lirc forum. I was also confused about those 0's. I was trying to comare the .conf file of older iMon remote with this new .conf file. The older file didn't had 0's on one/zero lines.

Thanks for the prompt replies. As you may have noticed, this was my first post in the forum despite of the fact that I am using JP1 features extensively (Running extender on 8910) since last 1 year. I have found answers to just about every question using "search" button so far.
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Post by pjigar »

I tried to upload file into "Diagnostic area" twice!! The uploaded file does not show up in th list some how. Does it take some time for it to b visible?

The file name is: Learned_keys_from_iMon-PAD.ir

Thanks,
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Post by pjigar »

I found the uploaded file!!

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=1803

Experts, please take a look at this file and help me decode the protocol used by this remote. Once someone decodes the protocol, I would also like to learn how can I "create" the protocol upgrade using KM.

Thanks,
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Post by johnsfine »

I don't expect to have any chunks of JP1 research time long enough to attack this in the near future. I don't know who else looks at such things. Assuming no one else does it and assuming I forget, please bump this in about a week to remind me.
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Post by pjigar »

Decoding the protocol is certainly uncharted waters for me, however, I am an EE and a hacker too. So if you can point me to some sites/deocumentation/etc where I can learn about how IR work, I can try to attack this from my side. I can also program as well.

If I am unccessfull then I will bump this thread up after a week, and every week there after ;)
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Post by pjigar »

johnsfire,

I found some more information on the iMon-PAD remote and IR receiver. This is from forum which has developed iMon-PAD support for lirc.

venky has developed the driver for iMon-PAD in lirc project and he has also decodd the IR codees.

Apperently, iMon-PAD IR receiver is a special beast: It received the IR command, and decodes it in the firmware! Then it forwards the decoded command to OS via USB packets!!

But for JP1 purpose, all we are intereseted is the IR signal format, right?

Here is the thread which has more information on iMon-PAD remote and IR receiver.
http://venky.ws/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38

Hope this helps,
pjigar
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Post by johnsfine »

I can't see anything in either of those links that looks even remotely related to the IR signals which were described by that Lirc file and learned into your .ir file.

That Format.txt file gives information details totally lacking in any context that could make it meaningful (I expect the intended audience is supposed to know the context).

As best I can guess, it isn't describing an IR signal at all. It is describing the OUTPUT from some IR to USB repeater and how that output is encoded when the input it receives is in NEC protocol.

But I still don't see any similarity between your Lirc file and NEC, and there is certainly no similarity between your learned signals and NEC. Whether the two are similar to each other is a harder question but they are at least similar to each other in the ways in which they are dissimilar to NEC.
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Post by pjigar »

I think I really confused everyone. As I understand, this iMon-PAD remote and IR are special pair.

1. iMon-PAD remote sends IR commands using 'some' protocol.
2. IR receiver decodes the raw IR command and then also converts the decoded command in to some "other" format before handing it to OS via USB interface.

What this means is lirc file describes th final format as seen by OS, not the raw decoded IR command. So lirc file is useless for our purpose.

You are right, the link I have provided was talking more about things "after" the command comes to OS. Not much helpful, I know, but I just wanted to point out this is not a normal rmote-IR receiver combo.

The only helpful this at this point is the learned IR file. I am also trying to get more information on th IR protocol format used from th comany who made this remote.

I will keep you posted. Thanks.
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Post by johnsfine »

johnsfine wrote:It is describing the OUTPUT from some IR to USB repeater and how that output is encoded when the input it receives is in NEC protocol.
So if I now understand you right, that OUTPUT is a USB encoding of an NEC IR signal, but that isn't the IR signal it actually received. It received some other IR signal and translated to NEC before encoding the IR waveform into a USB signal.
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Post by gjarboni »

Don't mean to jump in the middle here, but I've been following along and noticed some things.

1) The IR decoder doesn't send the on and off pulses to LIRC, only the decoded data (according to the person who wrote the special lirc driver for this receiver). That's why the one and zero times in the lirc file aren't needed (as in:

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  one             0     0 
  zero            0     0
Basically the USB IR device does the decoding internally and passes the resulting 32 bit values over the USB bus. A special LIRC driver was needed to handle this new hardware and approach.

2) I don't remember the word to describe this, but the signals are the same time length. In other words all of the on and off times add up to the same value (57 time units). All of the on and off times are odd multiples (1,3,5,7). None of the signals have an off time of 1. All of the learned signals (except the mouse signals -- up, down, left, right) have each signal repeated twice with no toggle bit.

3) The learns for up,down,left,& right are bad (and take up a lot of the learned memory). pjigar, could you delete those signals and learn as many more buttons as you can (should be another 7 or 8 ). From reading the remote's web page (which claims a 30 millesecond response time), I'm guessing they are eliminating the leadout for the mouse commands. Either way, it looks like we'll have to deal with the directional arrows later.
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Post by hansdegit »

Bummer. I bought the Silverstone LC10M too, thinking "hey, what the heck, if it understands IR signals, then I can use my OFA6 to control the machine".

Apparently not. At least, not yet.

Does anybody have a clue?
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