Pausing on URC 10820N

[A. Black]

My 10820N has been set up so that AUX1 is my internet radio and the macro on key M1 is AUX1 Recall AUX1 --/- AUX1 1 (where the intermediate AUX1's are used as delays). This works in so far as if I press M1 and then count to 5 and then press 3, say, it has the effect of going to preset 13. I am not currently using an extender.

The above usually works but sometimes it doesn't which presumably is either due to the vagaries of the timing or me not being precise enough in pointing the remote at the radio.

I gather that with an extender I could have set it up so that I could double press 1 (instead of pressing M1) followed by 3 to get the same effect as above but I assume even if I did that I would still have the problem that I would have to count to 5 before pressing 3 as in the example above. Is that right?

[mdavej]

Why don't you use the actual pause protocol so you can precisely control the delay? You don't need an extender for that.

I don't follow your reasoning on the double press. You realize that double press would just trigger a macro, right? It would not have the same effect as your current M1 unless you put the same commands in the double press macro. If you programmed some double press macros, they should contain all commands including the pauses. So, for example, 3 double press could select preset 13 if the macro was RECALL, Pause 1 sec, --/-, Pause 1 sec, 1, Pause 5 sec, 3.

In any case, you are correct that you have to hold the remote still for about 8 seconds. Are you certain that's as fast as you can go?

[A. Black]

Why don't you use the actual pause protocol so you can precisely control the delay? You don't need an extender for that.

I don't follow your reasoning on the double press. You realize that double press would just trigger a macro, right? It would not have the same effect as your current M1 unless you put the same commands in the double press macro. If you programmed some double press macros, they should contain all commands including the pauses. So, for example, 3 double press could select preset 13 if the macro was RECALL, Pause 1 sec, --/-, Pause 1 sec, 1, Pause 5 sec, 3.

In any case, you are correct that you have to hold the remote still for about 8 seconds. Are you certain that's as fast as you can go?

The double press is something that the extender can do. If you quickly press a button twice fast then with the extender you can associate that double press to a key sequence. Currently I am not using an extender so I can't access that functionality but with the extender I could. This double press functionality of the extender was pointed out to me by others on this forum. The double press idea gives a slightly nicer user interface. Instead of associating M1, M2 and M3 with certain macros I would associate a double press of 1, a double press of 2 and a double press of 3 respectively. The radio has 99 presets so this generalizes all the way up to 99 and is a bit more elegant than using M1, M2 and M3. Currently I am not using an extender so I can't access that functionality.

Regarding "the actual pause protocol" I haven't found any specific keys on this particular remote without an extender to cause a delay which is why I used AUX1 to get the delay. If you know otherwise then please let me know how to access it.

Regarding the need for the delay, if I don't put the intermediate AUX1's into the macro then the macro no longer works. It seems the radio can't accept a sequence of keys if they are fired too quickly in succession.

Aside from a nicer key sequence for actuation the only other advantage of the extender might be if the extender could control the delay in which case I might be able to get away with a slightly shorter delay (e.g. I might be able to count to 4 instead of 5) but if that were the case that second of savings is a relatively minor advantage.

[mdavej]

To use the pause protocol, pick it in RM and paste it into IR (or RMIR). Then on the special protocol tab you can create any number of pauses any duration you want. You can then use those in your macros.

You are correct about double press macros. I misinterpreted your post. However, I think double press numbers are a bad idea because of the small difference between 11 and double press 1. If you go that route, I think long press macros would work better.

As I said before, you don't need the extender for precise pauses.

[A. Black]

To use the pause protocol, pick it in RM and paste it into IR (or RMIR). Then on the special protocol tab you can create any number of pauses any duration you want. You can then use those in your macros.

You are correct about double press macros. I misinterpreted your post. However, I think double press numbers are a bad idea because of the small difference between 11 and double press 1. If you go that route, I think long press macros would work better.

As I said before, you don't need the extender for precise pauses.

1. When you write to "pick it in RM" what do I do? If I click on the RM protocol tab I get a blank screen.

2. Also, in RM if I click on the Learned Signals tab then the screen does not give any EFCs but does give some other info such OBCs. In IR I can see EFCs. Can RM show EFCs too? Is there something I have to do to get the EFCs to show up?

Thanks.

[mdavej]

You're talking about RMIR. I'm talking about a device upgrade in RM. There is a Protocol drop-down list on the Setup tab of RM. Click the list and pick "Pause Protocol (Special)" and follow the instructions in the Protocol Notes. There are also several threads you can search for more info on the Pause Protocol.

Why do you need the EFCs? OBCs are all you need to build an upgrade. The correct EFCs will then be calculated in your upgrade.

[A. Black]

You're talking about RMIR. I'm talking about a device upgrade in RM. There is a Protocol drop-down list on the Setup tab of RM. Click the list and pick "Pause Protocol (Special)" and follow the instructions in the Protocol Notes. There are also several threads you can search for more info on the Pause Protocol.

Why do you need the EFCs? OBCs are all you need to build an upgrade. The correct EFCs will then be calculated in your upgrade.

Thanks. I did not realize there were two programs. I was typing RemoteMaster.jar into the command line and I thought that was it. It seems that if we type RemoteMaster.jar -rm we get a second program I hadn't previously seen. Seems I need to go back to reading up on all this.

[gfb107]

Note that you can use the Pause protocol in RMIR more easily than using it in RM withIR, because there is no need to copy'n'paste.

In RMIR, go the devices tab, click New. On the Setup tab, select the desired device type for the upgrade, enter a Setup Code to use (something that doesn't conflict with another device upgrade or built-in setup code you are using), then select "Pause Protocol (Extender)" or "Pause Protocol (Special)" depending on whether or not you have installed an extender.

Press OK.

Now go to the "Special Functions" tab, click New, select the Device and Key you want to assign the pause to, select "Pause" as the Type and enter the desired duration. Press OK.

[A. Black]

Note that you can use the Pause protocol in RMIR more easily than using it in RM withIR, because there is no need to copy'n'paste.

In RMIR, go the devices tab, click New. On the Setup tab, select the desired device type for the upgrade, enter a Setup Code to use (something that doesn't conflict with another device upgrade or built-in setup code you are using), then select "Pause Protocol (Extender)" or "Pause Protocol (Special)" depending on whether or not you have installed an extender.

Press OK.

Now go to the "Special Functions" tab, click New, select the Device and Key you want to assign the pause to, select "Pause" as the Type and enter the desired duration. Press OK.

Thanks. I will have to try this.