Comcast Remote, Toshiba TV, Pace RNG110 -- Questions....

[mdburkey]

This question actually covers a multitude of related issues -- primarily because I am trying to decide the best (or rather easiest) means of accomplishing something.

Personally, I already have numerous JP1 remotes that I am quite happy with and quite familiar with programming (though it has been 3 years since I actually did much with them -- I basically tweaked the code of the 8811WM extender until I got it working just as I wanted and haven't touched it since other than a few minor device changes).

My questions revolve around a new TV my Dad just got (Toshiba 52XV648) and his horrendous Comcast cable box (Pace RNG110 -- which is quite buggy to begin with).

What I am wanting to do is remap the Power key in Cable mode to always send the TV power code (i.e. we just leave the cable box on all the time and only turn the TV itself off & on -- primarily because if both the TV & cable box are off the RNG110 sends an HDMI-CEC command to the TV that switches it off of HDMI back to ANT, so you have to reselect inputs everytime you turn it back on). I also then want to remap the real Cable box power key to an easy to use but generally unused key (like "On Demand" or "A") -- primarily because you have to actually turn the Pace box off to get into its setup menu to enable CC (which my Mom needs as she is hard of hearing).

From what I gather, the Comcast remote I have is a 1067 variant of some type and is JP1.3. If I had a JP1.3 cable, what I am wanting to do would be trivial -- but I don't really want to have to purchase a JP1.3 cable just for this (as I have no other JP1.3 remotes).

Basically, as I see it, this leaves me with two options:
1) Use key moves to remap the keys on the Comcast remote. However, this means I need the advanced codes for the built-in OFA Toshiba TV device code (10154 is what I think I'm using).
2) Reprogram one of my own existing JP1 remotes and just use it instead (I have several unused extra 2104's, a 1994, a 2116, a couple of unopened C7+'s, and a brand new 9910 that I love but find way too heavy). However, this means I need a device file for a Comcast/Pace RNG110 cable box -- which I haven't been able to identify (and as my computer is at my house and the box is at my Dad's, loading each Pace file one at a time and then having to drive over there and testing it to see if it works isn't exactly practical).

So....

1) Does someone have a list of the advanced codes for a Comcast 1067 remote ("platinum" case, red OK button) for a Toshiba TV (10154 if memory serves)?

2) Does someone know what the proper device file is for a Comcast Pace RNG110 cable box (assuming it exists)? Also, does it require a protocol upgrade as well? From research I have already done, it looks like they had a devil of a time tweaking the Logitech remotes to send the timing "just right" for this box to work the way it should (and, honestly, I think it misses about 1 IR command out of every 4 even using the supplied Comcast remote).

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated....(i.e. anything I can do to make my Dad's TV setup easier makes MY life much easier).

[3FG]

The remote sounds like a Comcast 1067BX3 JP1.3 remote. You can check for sure by blinking back the signature. This thread https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11675 tell how to use the 983 command to get the remote signature. The 1067BX3 has signature 1039. (Edit: As Cap'n Trips says below, actually 3039)

I suspect that the Toshiba uses setup code 10156, and the RNG110 uses 01982. But employ the 990 function (also in the above thread) to blink back those two setup codes.

Armed with all that knowledge, use the Lookup Tool (link at the top of this page), Device Search using TV 0156 and Cable 1982 (or whatever setup codes blinked back) to find the EFCs.

I expect that the Toshiba power is 00119, and the RNG110 power is 29381.

In my opinion, using manually entered 994 keymoves will be significantly easier than anything involving older remotes, which don't natively have the XMP protocol.

[MaskedMan]

Try the following on dad's cable remote:

1. cab
2. press and hold SETUP for two blinks
3. enter 9 9 4
4. press POWER key
5. press either "On demand" or "A"

now to keymove the TV power:

1. press and hold SETUP for two blinks
2. enter 9 9 4
3. press TV device key
4. press POWER key
5. press CAB device key
6. press POWER key

[mdburkey]

Thanks for the quick replies -- to both of you!

I'd forgotten that you could actually do keymoves by pressing the keys themselves....or never knew it in the first place. I've always done it using the actual codes -- though I have been using JP1 to configure my remotes for so long that I barely remember even doing that!

As far as the XMP protocol goes...I have heard of it but don't know many details (other than noticing some comments by Robman about it being a PITA and hard to learn -- which I can attest to assuming that the RNG110 uses it...the first thing I tried was to just do a simple learn of the power button and it didn't work worth crap).

Has the XMP protocol been implemented on the older remotes? I loathe the key layout of most of the newer ones -- my own personal favorites are the Cinema7+ and the 8810/8811/9910 series (the ones WITHOUT the ring) and the thought of having to replace them when upgrading cable boxes would not make me happy (which is why I have multiples of each -- including two C7+'s still brand new in box [never opened], etc).

[mdburkey]

I just checked the signature on the remote and it is returning "3039" rather than "1039"...

[vickyg2003]

Has the XMP protocol been implemented on the older remotes? I loathe the key layout of most of the newer ones -- my own personal favorites are the Cinema7+ and the 8810/8811/9910 series (the ones WITHOUT the ring) and the thought of having to replace them when upgrading cable boxes would not make me happy (which is why I have multiples of each -- including two C7+'s still brand new in box [never opened], etc).

Yes the XMP protocol executor has been adapted for the older S3c8 processor that is in the Cinema 7. The JP1 group first encountered this on a dreambox, so RM and KM are calling this the dreambox protocol. Since then its been discovered that the official name for this protocol is xmp.

[Capn Trips]

3039 is correct for the Comcast URC-1067B3. 3FG mistyped the 1039.

[mdburkey]

Yes the XMP protocol executor has been adapted for the older S3c8 processor that is in the Cinema 7. The JP1 group first encountered this on a dreambox, so RM and KM are calling this the dreambox protocol. Since then its been discovered that the official name for this protocol is xmp.

That is good to hear -- I love my older remotes and don't want to give them up! I had already attempted learning the output of the Comcast remote using one of my RS2104's (which I generally keep on hand just for that purpose -- so I can learn a few codes, then just pull them up in IR, and figure them out to setup a device file). What was learned was basically gibberish when I looked at it and it didn't appear to work to control the Comcast box either.

[vickyg2003]

I had already attempted learning the output of the Comcast remote using one of my RS2104's (which I generally keep on hand just for that purpose -- so I can learn a few codes, then just pull them up in IR, and figure them out to setup a device file). What was learned was basically gibberish when I looked at it and it didn't appear to work to control the Comcast box either.

That is typical for the XMP protocol. From what I've read they are notoriously difficult signals to learn. Apparently there are up to 16 different timing pairs, which is beyond what our UEI learning remotes can handle.

I believe you'll find Cable 1982 is the code for the Pace box. I had downloaded it and looked at Pace upgrade yesterday, when I was searching for a xmp sample. Hunt around in the file section for a working device upgrade for the Pace box. I'd go back and check, but my internet is running really poorly today.