Keymove doesn't work - using Pip Key for Tivo Delete on 6131

AndyInNYC · Post by **AndyInNYC** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:21 pm

I have a 6131 using the PVR button for my Tivo.

The original remote uses the bottom left key as delete/clear - I'd like to use the PIP key (same location) on my remote for this purpose (in addition to the EXIT button it currently maps to).

I created a keymove, but it has no effect.

The file was posted to yahoo as: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/files ... Delete.txt

Can someone explain why this doesn't work (the KM file says I can keymove this key) and what I need to do to get it to work?

Andrew

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:57 pm

It appears that you entered the keymove in IR.exe, which is a big "no no" with this remote. If you don't know how to manually calculate the hex code, you MUST enter the keymove on the remote itself.

This remote stores keymoves in a completely different format than most of the other JP1 remotes in use. Format 1 stores the keycode of the button that was copied (this is when you copy one button to another). If you were to copy the EXIT button to the PIP button, the one byte hex code should be $24. If you were to manually program EFC 151 to the PIP button, the two byte hex code should be $00 $97.

(NOTE: I calculated these hex codes manually and I don't have a URC-6131 handly to verify them, so don't blame me if they're wrong).

gfb107 · Post by **gfb107** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:32 pm

Just FYI, If you install the extender, keymoves are stored in "standard" JP1 format, so it is then easy to program keymoves in IR.

You also get the other benefits of the extender.

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:38 pm

Also, I notice that you're using the hacked Tivo protocol. You would be better off using the official Tivo protocol as the URC-6131 has the good version of it installed.

AndyInNYC · Post by **AndyInNYC** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:38 pm

What's the difference between the two protocols (hacked v official Tivo)?

Is there an easy way to check to see which keys are mapped differently?

Andy

gfb107 · Post by **gfb107** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:53 pm

The official protocol is built into newer remotes. The only difference is the ID we've assigned to the protocols. You should always use the builtin protocol unless there is a special reason not to. There isn't in this case.

The URC-6131 has 2 built-in setup codes that support TiVo:
PVR/0618 and SAT/1142. Other than the device type difference, the only difference is that the SAT/1142 code has the Info button assigned the Display function, but that is missing from the PVR/0618 code.

Unless you're using a non-zero device number (looks like you aren't), or you've assigned lots of functions to unusual keys, there's really no reason to use a device upgrade at all.

There's probably less than 5 keys you'll want to be different than the built-in setup code. These can easily be handled with keymoves.

Of course, if you aren't running out of upgrade memory, there's no problem using a device upgrade.

AndyInNYC · Post by **AndyInNYC** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:32 pm

OK, the Tivo issue makes sense.

Next question.

My file has lots of keymoves for the JVC equipment (I haven't really tried to test it out - we watch lots of Tivo and only tend to use the volume/source selection on a daily basis off the receiver); these moves come from the files provided on Yahoo. Am I to assume that none of these keymoves work either?

It sounds like my best solution is simply to install the extender if this is the case.

Andrew

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:53 pm

AndyInNYC wrote:Am I to assume that none of these keymoves work either?

Key moves created by KM or RM as part of a device upgrade for the un-extended 6131 should work since both apps know the proper format for them.

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:25 pm

AndyInNYC wrote:My file has lots of keymoves for the JVC equipment (I haven't really tried to test it out - we watch lots of Tivo and only tend to use the volume/source selection on a daily basis off the receiver); these moves come from the files provided on Yahoo. Am I to assume that none of these keymoves work either?

When you use someone else's upgrade file, you don't have to keep their button assignments, especially if they result in keymoves. What you shoul do when you're customizing an upgrade file, after first changing the selected remote to your remote, is review the Button assignments to see if they make sense for you. Plus, look to see if they will result in keymoves (ie, in KM there is a "@" sign in front of the button name). If the assignment will result in a keymove, ask yourself if you really need this function to be assigned to this button.

By the sounds of it, if you don't even know if these keymoves work, you're not exactly using these keymoves very much, in which case I would suggest that you don't need them.