JP1 Remotes

[Kruskal]

Is there any way to assign a code to the Power button when in Home Theater mode? I have Home Theater set so it makes sense for the vast majority of uses EXCEPT for the Power button -- it does nothing and it should control the TV. I am using the URC-8811.

Thanks -- Vincent

[johnsfine]

Are you using JP1?

I think the Home Theater Mode of all OneForAll models is basically brain dead. The concept is great, but each model gets a few details SO wrong that it wrecks most of the value. Since I never use a remote without an "extender" I forget which brain dead HT features are in which models. Some models make the power key entirely useless in HT mode. But I don't recall if the 8811 is one of those.

If you want Home Theater behavior in the remote (most people commenting on it in various forums don't) then I'm sure you would find the extender's replacement for Home Theater mode is so much better than the built in version that it justifies the effort to install the extender, before even thinking about all the extender's other advantages.

The extender lets you program the power key to do whatever you want it to do in whatever mode. It doesn't invent stupid restrictions like those enforced by the built-in firmware.

If you don't yet have a JP1 cable, and everything but the power button is satisfactory, and you're not a control freak, then you might want to just leave the power button wrong, rather than get a JP1 cable to use to install the extender. (I AM a control freak, so I can't really relate to ever not using JP1 + extender).

[Kruskal]

[Capn Trips]

[The Robman]

My best guess is that he wants to program the remote to give to someone else, in which case they would need to be able to program the remote without JP1.

The only feature that a JP1 user loses by installing the extender is learning, but the only reason that a JP1 user needs learning is as a tool for creating a new upgrade, and they can always un-install the extender when they need to do that.
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[gfb107]

In addition to disabling learning, don't the extenders also "disable" the 'set 99x' commands?

Of course, JP1 users know that it easier to use IR than it is to use the 'set 99x' commands, but I can see how a novice might construe that as 'crippled'.
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[Kruskal]

Wow! It appears I inadvertently stepped on some toes. I probably am being overly cautious, but I am reluctant to get rid of 99X and learning while I am still so new to the RM/IR world.

Just today, I went back to 994 because I was having to run a sequence of experiments to get the code for a button right. For repeated changing of one key, 994 is better than IR.

So, I gather, that there is no small tweak of the Home Theater that anyone has worked out. I just need to grab the bull by the horns or live with the one short coming of my remote.

I do have eight 8811s, so I could afford a halfway leap into the abyss in that sense.

Thanks again -- Vincent

[gfb107]

Understand that by installing the extender, you aren't really getting rid of the 99x commands or learning.

Those are disabled while the extender is installed and active, but you can always uninstall the extender (temporarily) in order to use the 99x commands or learning. Once you've figured out what you needed to know using the 99x commands and/or learning, you just reinstall the extender.

I assume you already have a saved .IR file of your current configuration. Uninstalling the extender is just a matter of uploading that saved .IR file to your remote.

Installing the extender the first time requires some special step in IR to merge the extender with your current .IR file, producing a new .IR file that includes the extender. Installing the extender in the remote is then just a matter of uploading that extended .IR file to the remote.

So, let's say you've installed the extender, and find you need to use 99x/learning to add some missing commands to your setup.

Upload your unextended .IR file to the remote and do whatever you need to do.

Take whatever information you gathered and adjust your extended .IR file accordingly. Save it, upload it to the remote, and the extender is now ready to be activated and used again.
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[The Robman]

No toes were stepped on, it's just hard sometimes for people who are used to using JP1 and all of it's tools to remember that some people are scared to try things for the first time.
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[Kruskal]

[Capn Trips]

Well if you look through closely at the 8811 extender section in the file area, you'll see that some of the files are readme's or spreadsheet calculators, and some of the extenders are for large EEPROMs. Since you likely have a standard 2K EEPROM, you really have only three to choose from, extender 1.2, 2.4, or 3.3. I haven't used any of them, but a general rule of thumb I follow is:
(1) use the newest (3.3) and/or;
(2) use the one most frequently downloaded (3.3);

So I would try extender 3.3.
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RCVR: Onkyo TX-SR875; Integra DTR 40.3
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[greenough1]

that's the one that I use. Here's my ir file if it helps you (or not). I use the pause protocol, DSM and LKP.

(forgot the link - sorry): http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2372

Eventually I need to add toadtog to keep the receiver in sync with the display input (to mute or not to mute , but I've not gotten to it.

Best,
jeff

[mkmcgregor]

I just got done the same transition decision, and I quickly realized that I can always revert to the old image with the tools. I will not go back now. The exender is a wonderful thing. It makes you change your paradigm on how to acoomplish some goals, but it is truly a lot more powerful and makes somethings possible that you could not do otherwise. Now I almost have a remote that even my wife can use. Replaces 6 other remotes. Still some tweaking to do, but that's true with whatever higher level remote your get, no matter how expensive. You will enjoy it, but it will also take time to get compfortable with it.

You can always count on a bunch of experienced people helping out here!

[Kruskal]