JP1 Remotes

Fixup · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 20 Location: OR

Among all my remotes, this one feels the best on hand (the shape and finishing on its bottom). Hopefully UEI will leak the interface for x820 series.

Mark Pierson · Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject:

Fixup · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 20 Location: OR

Mark,

Keymover and then delete the learned signals might work, I'll try.

The whole point of JP1 is do whatever we want, such as a partial upgrade instead of a full one.

One of the reasones for a partial upgrade: don't have to learn all the buttons and not all buttons can be learned.

gfb107 · Expert Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 3411 Location: Cary, NC

I think the point you are missing, is that when we tell you to use learning, we mean use learning to figure out exactly what commands are being sent, which allows you to either build a device upgrade or use a few keymoves to supplement a builtin setup code. At that point the learned signals are deleted.

Only is special circumstances (i.e. running out of keymove/upgrade memory) do we suggest that you use the learned signals to control your devices.

The other point is to always build as complete as possible a device upgrade (at least with all functions filled in, even if you don't assign them all to keys), so that when someone else comes along looking for an upgrade for that device, everything will be there for them, instead of just the functions you felt you wanted to add for how you use your remote.
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The Robman · Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject:

Either I'm completely missing something here, or more likely Fixup is.

Q1. If you end goal is to use keymoves, why are you creating an upgrade at all? As long as the protocol and device code used by the learned signals match those used by the partially working setup code (and it's almost certain that they will), why not just use the EFCs gleamed from the learned signals to create keymoves.

Q2. You keep repeating "keymover does not work with learned codes", why do you mean by that? If you mean that you cannot move a function that is learned to button-A over to button-B, then you are correct, but why would you want to? Why not just learn it to button-B in the first place? And even though the remote won't let you move it, you can always change the button in the IR.exe program, if you want to.

Bottom line, in the 2 days that we've been talking about this, you could certainly have created a complete upgrade for all of your devices, which you could then have loaded up and shared with everyone else.

You are right, JP1 does give you the freedom to do whatever you want, so nobody here is trying to tell you what to do, we're just trying to tell you the best way to achieve your goals. Every so often, someone comes along who has just enough pre-conceptions about what's going on, that they get stuck going down the wrong path and it's quite difficult for us to get them to see the light. I have a feel that you are in this position.
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Fixup · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 20 Location: OR

If the JP1 already has most of the buttons working with a remote, why learn all the buttons? If I do want to get the built-in codes to make a full upgrade file, I'd rather use keymover to find out the codes, other than learning.

Note that a partial upgrade file can be shared as well like a full one, the condition is the JP1 already has a built-in setup code for that remote (just some keys are missing).

The Robman · Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject:

e.axel · Exile Island Resident Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 209

In the time it took to compose all these posts, it could have been done a couple of times, at least!

Fixup · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 20 Location: OR

Again, it was not about how to make a specific device to work; it was about ideas of making a partial upgrade. It was not about which takes less time.

Keymover gives the exact key code in the JP1. Key learning may fail and go wrong. For example, try to learn the vol up/down and mute keys from a Samsung HDTV tuner (SIR-T451) and see what you'll get.

Maybe nobody (including myself, except whompus) knew what I was talking about. The bottom line is I'm happy that I made a successful partial upgrade based on whompus' trick.

e.axel · Exile Island Resident Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 209

Aside: I just added the SIR-T451 to my URC9800. Used the upgrade code in the file. Took all of 10 minutes and it worked perfectly.

whompus · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 540

Being happy with what you have done is what matters. Trust me though I didn't think of that trick. It came from talking with these guys.

For the samsung you guys are talking about now. If you want vol and mute on it (most don't). I think the codes are vol+ 186 vol- 059 and mute 058.

If those codes are right let me know. I have 4 other codes that are unknown functions at the moment. They may be discretes if you want to test them.

The Robman · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:09 am Post subject:

whompus · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 540

Rob... I think we determined it is 0178 and also think your advanced codes has it covered.

Fixup... If you found codes that are not on the advanced list please as Rob asked tell us what they are and what function they do.

Fixup · Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 20 Location: OR

Thanks Rob. Here is a (not full) list:

Remote in concern: Vizio P50 HDM plazma 50" monitor, JP1.2, picture above.

Build-in setup code: 0178 or 0019.

Build-in working functions: power, mute, vol+, vol-, menu, there might be more.

Advanced codes I tested to work:

analog hd (input toggle) 231
av (input toggle) 105
info 251
cc 025
pip 197
pip size 201
freez 200
wide(ness) 138

I don't remember exactly, other setup codes (0179?) also worked (tried too many remotes and setup codes).

scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

Does anyone know what the EFC's are for jumping directly to the various inputs?

EG hdmi2, component2, etc?

Or am I stuck doing the HDMI code that definitly works (EFC 174) twice?

I've already read that there is no discrete on/change input combination...