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Mark Pierson Expert
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 3017 Location: Connecticut, USA |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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radunn wrote: | In RM (Setuup tab) I don't see where to add special protocol. | After selecting your remote at the top, open the Protocol drop-down and select Pause Protocol (Special). Be sure to read the Protocol Notes. _________________ Mark |
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gfb107 Expert
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 3411 Location: Cary, NC |
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21244 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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If you have to wait 4 seconds, do you really want the power up macro to take care of the input selection for you? Because it would mean that you would have to stand there holding the remote for all of that time.
IMHO, it would be better to program a button as your "input select" button, then have the macros leave the remote in the right mode where that "input select" button is pre-programmed to select the desired input.
For example, in your original IR file I see that you have two TV based macros:
M1 = TV, Power, CBL, Power (needs Comp1 selected)
M3 = TV, Power, CD, Power (needs HDMI2 selected)
My first suggestion would be to move these macros to shift/CBL and shift/CD. Then I'd use the M1 button as the "input select" button.
I gather from the previous conversation that the "1" button in TV mode will select Comp1, and the "3" button will select HMDI2. So, what I would do is keymove (ie, copy) the "1" button from TV mode over to the M1 button in CBL mode. Then I'd keymove the "3" button from TV mode over to the M1 button in CD mode.
Then, when using the remote, you would press SET-CBL to turn on the system for cable, then once the TV has warmed up (ie, the 4 second wait) you would press the M1 button (if needed) to switch the TV to Comp1 mode.
You would press SET-CD to turn the system on for DVD, and then once the TV has warmed up (ie, the 4 second wait) you would press the M1 button (if needed) to switch the TV to HMDI2 mode.
Here's an IR file set up the way I just described:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=7103
The added benefit of doing it this way is that, when you want to switch from watching the cable to watching the DVD player, assuming it's already turned on, all you have to do is press CBL, M1 and you're all set. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
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radunn
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Troy, NY |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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The Robman wrote: | I gather from the previous conversation that the "1" button in TV mode will select Comp1, and the "3" button will select HMDI2. So, what I would do is keymove (ie, copy) the "1" button from TV mode over to the M1 button in CBL mode. Then I'd keymove the "3" button from TV mode over to the M1 button in CD mode.
Then, when using the remote, you would press SET-CBL to turn on the system for cable, then once the TV has warmed up (ie, the 4 second wait) you would press the M1 button (if needed) to switch the TV to Comp1 mode.
You would press SET-CD to turn the system on for DVD, and then once the TV has warmed up (ie, the 4 second wait) you would press the M1 button (if needed) to switch the TV to HMDI2 mode.
| You hit the nail on the head. What I changed since prior posts is that in TV mode the number keys are as follows: 1=HDMI1, 2=HDMI2 and 3=Component1; I still want to accomplish the same tasks.
Having reviewed your revised IR file I didn't find where the number keys 1-3 in TV mode where keymoved to cable/cd etc. _________________ Radunn |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | In RM (Setuup tab) I don't see where to add special protocol. |
You don't ADD it, you select it from the list of protocols. _________________ Remember to provide feedback to let us know how the problem was solved and share your upgrades.
Tip: When creating an upgrade, always include ALL functions from the oem remote, even if you never plan on assigning them to a button. Complete function lists makes an upgrade more helpful to others.
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21244 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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radunn wrote: | Having reviewed your revised IR file I didn't find where the number keys 1-3 in TV mode where keymoved to cable/cd etc. |
Look at the Keymoves tab, you'll see that I added two new keymoves where the EFCs used were the ones that are assigned to the 1 and 3 buttons in the TV device upgrade. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
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radunn
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Troy, NY |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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The Robman wrote: | Look at the Keymoves tab, you'll see that I added two new keymoves where the EFCs used were the ones that are assigned to the 1 and 3 buttons in the TV device upgrade. |
Thanks... you are right on; it works! Only thing I had to change was the EFCs after changing their assignments... After all of this work the only problem I foresee is that the Set button is too recessed; being that I use a cover on the remote.
Perhaps my original configuration of M1 (TV, Power, Cable) will make do. I don't really see much advantage/shortcuts to the newly accomplished keystrokes vs. old keystrokes (M1, TV 1,2,3 etc.) _________________ Radunn |
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21244 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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You could absolutely go back to using M1, M2, M3 for your macros if the SET button is too recessed (I use a 15-1994 where it's quite prominent). But if you do, you would need to pick another button to be your all-purpose "input select" button.
The point of doing the keymoves to program M1 (or whichever button you decide to use) is that the button selects the right input based on the device mode that you're in, so the user doesn't need to think about it too much.
Tell me which conversation would be easier. Here's the question:
Hey Ray, the TV's in the wrong mode, what do I do?
answer #1:
Ray: what are you watching?
Wife: cable
Ray: OK then, press TV, then 1, then CBL
Wife: but what if I was watching the DVD?
Ray: then you'd press TV, then 3, then CD
answer #2:
Ray: press M1
Wife: but what if I was watching the DVD?
Ray: press M1 _________________ Rob
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radunn
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Troy, NY |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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The Robman wrote: | You could absolutely go back to using M1, M2, M3 for your macros if the SET button is too recessed (I use a 15-1994 where it's quite prominent). But if you do, you would need to pick another button to be your all-purpose "input select" button.
The point of doing the keymoves to program M1 (or whichever button you decide to use) is that the button selects the right input based on the device mode that you're in, so the user doesn't need to think about it too much.
Tell me which conversation would be easier. Here's the question:
Hey Ray, the TV's in the wrong mode, what do I do?
answer #1:
Ray: what are you watching?
Wife: cable
Ray: OK then, press TV, then 1, then CBL
Wife: but what if I was watching the DVD?
Ray: then you'd press TV, then 3, then CD
answer #2:
Ray: press M1
Wife: but what if I was watching the DVD?
Ray: press M1 |
Definitely #2 is easiest. Is there another key that can be used for Set? If so, that will make using the remote alot easier. I was even thinking about applying glue (hot glue gun) to t he Set key so that it's raised... lol _________________ Radunn |
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21244 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I've tried gluing extensions onto the SET button before but it didn't take. Hot glue might work for a while, if you can prevent it from sticking to the casing.
You can convert any button into a SET button by programming a macro to the button which has one step, that being SET.
Or, you could just use a different button for the input select. I don't know how you're using the rest of the buttons, and I see that all 4 learning buttons and all 3 macros buttons are already in use, so I can't make a suggestion. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
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radunn
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Troy, NY |
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: adding to Macro for URC-9910b |
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Currently I have working macros for my TV, cable box and DVD players etc. The working macro(s) consist of M1 and M3 being replaced with the Shift key for the cable and dvd player (power on/off). Somehow I lost the function of pressing M1 to set the TV to Component for the cable box and HDMI2 for the dvd player. If I press 'TV-3' Component is set; 'TV-2' for HDMI2. I'd like to eliminate these extra key strokes.
I am requesting a macro that will set the TV to the desired mode; component or hdmi2. After reading a few help files for inserting Pause into the macro(s) via RM-IR I was unsuccessful. I can post the files used (unsuccessful and successful) so they can be reviewed. Maybe I don't even need Pause. Thanks for your advice and support
Links to working / non-working macros (Shift-TV was not in 1st amendment; still did not work):
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11550
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11551 _________________ Radunn |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Hi RaDunn,
I have only slept 2 hours in the past 24,so this might not make sense, but let me give you two hints.
1) When making a macro, you want to minimize the time it runs. Using a PAUSE is a last restort. If you need to wait 10 seconds between powering the Cable button on, and changing it to channel 3, rearrange your macro so that you do as many other steps as possible before the 3.
2) Use NOTES liberally. Really it helps to have some idea of what you were trying to accomplish. You put this away for a few years and come back to it, and you'll be totally clueless as to what you did and why.
3)IR has a sorting mechanism for those keymoves, that will make this much easier to read. Click on the column heads and arrange the items. There is also a dragging feature, that only sometimes works for me, but you click on the number in the # column and the line will turn turquoise and then you can drag it where you want to go.
4) IR has a Summary report that really makes debugging easy. I hope someday they add something similar to RMIR.
summary wrote: | KEY MOVES:
Target Source Device Setup EFC or
# Device Target Key Device Type Code Hex Cmd Key Name Note
1 AUX Prev AUX TV 0154 $67 249
2 CBL M1 TV TV 1060 $9E 190
3 CD M1 TV TV 1060 $82 030
4 CD SHIFT-F.Rew CD DVD 1490 $2E 067
5 CD SHIFT-FWD CD DVD 1490 $39 203
6 CD Sleep CD DVD 1490 $7C 177
7 CD L1 CD DVD 1490 $4E 064
8 CD L2 CD DVD 1490 $FB 213
9 CD L3 CD DVD 1490 $5F 184
10 CD L4 CD DVD 1490 $3E 195
11 RCVR/AMP Sleep RCVR/AMP RCVR 1320 $45 $20 08421
12 TV SHIFT-Menu TV TV 1060 $2D 043
13 TV L1 TV TV 1060 $C9 068
14 TV L2 TV TV 1060 $D7 116
15 TV L3 TV TV 1060 $57 120
16 TV L4 TV TV 1060 $97 118
17 TV SHIFT-Exit TV TV 1060 $E5 229
18 TV Phantom1 TV TV 1060 $FA 221 10 sec delay
19 VCR SHIFT-VOL+ VCR VCR 1067 $73 153
20 VCR SHIFT-VOL- VCR VCR 1067 $96 126
21 VCR SHIFT-CH+ VCR VCR 1067 $9C 174
22 VCR SHIFT-CH- VCR VCR 1067 $1C 178
23 VCR SHIFT-PIP VCR VCR 1067 $43 024
24 VCR SHIFT-MOVE VCR VCR 1067 $17 122
25 VCR SHIFT-SWAP VCR VCR 1067 $87 246
26 VCR Phantom1 VCR VCR 1067 $A7 247
MACROS:
# Target Key Macro Keys Note
1 SHIFT-CBL TV;Power;CBL;Power;SHIFT-TV;Phantom2;3
2 M2 RCVR/AMP;Power;Guide;CD;Power
3 SHIFT-CD TV;Power;CD;Power;SHIFT-TV;Phantom2;2 |
I'm aboslutely clueless as to what you are trying to do here.
You are calling Shift-TV, but that has no definition. So that's a non-functioning key. (Did you mean to call TV?)
You've added a new 10 second keymove on TV-phantom1, buth you are calling Cable-Phantom2. Cable Phantom 2 is unassigned another non-functioning key.
Then you are tuning your cable button to channel 3. |
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radunn
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Troy, NY |
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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vickyg2003 wrote: | Hi RaDunn,
I have only slept 2 hours in the past 24,so this might not make sense, but let me give you two hints.
1) When making a macro, you want to minimize the time it runs. Using a PAUSE is a last restort. If you need to wait 10 seconds between powering the Cable button on, and changing it to channel 3, rearrange your macro so that you do as many other steps as possible before the 3.
2) Use NOTES liberally. Really it helps to have some idea of what you were trying to accomplish. You put this away for a few years and come back to it, and you'll be totally clueless as to what you did and why.
3)IR has a sorting mechanism for those keymoves, that will make this much easier to read. Click on the column heads and arrange the items. There is also a dragging feature, that only sometimes works for me, but you click on the number in the # column and the line will turn turquoise and then you can drag it where you want to go.
4) IR has a Summary report that really makes debugging easy. I hope someday they add something similar to RMIR.
summary wrote: | KEY MOVES:
Target Source Device Setup EFC or
# Device Target Key Device Type Code Hex Cmd Key Name Note
1 AUX Prev AUX TV 0154 $67 249
2 CBL M1 TV TV 1060 $9E 190
3 CD M1 TV TV 1060 $82 030
4 CD SHIFT-F.Rew CD DVD 1490 $2E 067
5 CD SHIFT-FWD CD DVD 1490 $39 203
6 CD Sleep CD DVD 1490 $7C 177
7 CD L1 CD DVD 1490 $4E 064
8 CD L2 CD DVD 1490 $FB 213
9 CD L3 CD DVD 1490 $5F 184
10 CD L4 CD DVD 1490 $3E 195
11 RCVR/AMP Sleep RCVR/AMP RCVR 1320 $45 $20 08421
12 TV SHIFT-Menu TV TV 1060 $2D 043
13 TV L1 TV TV 1060 $C9 068
14 TV L2 TV TV 1060 $D7 116
15 TV L3 TV TV 1060 $57 120
16 TV L4 TV TV 1060 $97 118
17 TV SHIFT-Exit TV TV 1060 $E5 229
18 TV Phantom1 TV TV 1060 $FA 221 10 sec delay
19 VCR SHIFT-VOL+ VCR VCR 1067 $73 153
20 VCR SHIFT-VOL- VCR VCR 1067 $96 126
21 VCR SHIFT-CH+ VCR VCR 1067 $9C 174
22 VCR SHIFT-CH- VCR VCR 1067 $1C 178
23 VCR SHIFT-PIP VCR VCR 1067 $43 024
24 VCR SHIFT-MOVE VCR VCR 1067 $17 122
25 VCR SHIFT-SWAP VCR VCR 1067 $87 246
26 VCR Phantom1 VCR VCR 1067 $A7 247
MACROS:
# Target Key Macro Keys Note
1 SHIFT-CBL TV;Power;CBL;Power;SHIFT-TV;Phantom2;3
2 M2 RCVR/AMP;Power;Guide;CD;Power
3 SHIFT-CD TV;Power;CD;Power;SHIFT-TV;Phantom2;2 |
I'm aboslutely clueless as to what you are trying to do here.
You are calling Shift-TV, but that has no definition. So that's a non-functioning key. (Did you mean to call TV?)
You've added a new 10 second keymove on TV-phantom1, buth you are calling Cable-Phantom2. Cable Phantom 2 is unassigned another non-functioning key.
Then you are tuning your cable button to channel 3. |
Vicky, thank you very much for your reply.. esp. having such little sleep. Basically, what I'm aiming to do is use a macro that turns on the TV, cable box, DVD; setting the TV to the appropriate input (Component for cable, HDMI2 for DVD). My using Shift-TV in the 2nd macro was a desperate attempt to see positive results; I didn't review it before posting it (sorry).
The link to the 1st macro the helper inserted the Shift key(s) that replaced M1 and M2; that work. What happens is that if I'm watching cable and want to use the DVD player pressing Shift (Set)/DVD the TV input remains at the last TV input instead of switching to HDMI2 for DVD (hope this makes sense).
I will take your advise and rearrange the macro to see if that helps but the TV takes more than 5 seconds to turn on before any amendments can be applied. I really don't see why M1-M3 can't be used wherein M1 = TV/pwr + CBL/pwr and M3 = TV/pwr + dvd/pwr; replacing Shift(Set)TV and Shift (set)/dvd. I really don't understand why the helper used Shift but it works. Again thanks! _________________ Radunn |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Radunn, It sounds like you are not making the decisions here. What is "the helper"? _________________ Remember to provide feedback to let us know how the problem was solved and share your upgrades.
Tip: When creating an upgrade, always include ALL functions from the oem remote, even if you never plan on assigning them to a button. Complete function lists makes an upgrade more helpful to others.
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radunn
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 174 Location: Troy, NY |
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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vickyg2003 wrote: | Radunn, It sounds like you are not making the decisions here. What is "the helper"? |
"The helper" is the person who reviewed/submitted a working macro a while ago on this forum. They replaced M1 and M3 with Shift CBL and Shift CD.
Currently M1 is not sending any commands. The red IR indicator blinks when M1 is pressed displaying the last command, but the M1 command is not executed. I checked/cleaned the contacts after disassembling the remote. The IR puck became broke months ago and since has been replaced with a Next Gen IR kit that works fine. Today I tried using M1 but it's a no-go. _________________ Radunn |
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