kameleon 9960b01 uk codes anyone please help

[blaster]

ive just recieved my kameleon 9960b01 from the states and thought i had made a good choice of remote, but when i tried to input codes for my equipment found out i did not have any codes that work with my uk equipment, does anyone out there have premade audio files with codes so i can update my remote my equipment list is below

sagem hdd50 g4 tv
sky standard uk model
panasonic dvdrw dmr e55
xbox 360
pacific surround kit cant find a model number on it
aopen icube pc
i know i cant get all these codes but if i can get 2 or 3 of them working with codes it would free up space so i can learn the rest for ones i cant use codes, i know i can buy a jp1 lead and i might do that, but for a quick fix if i get a few codes i would be far happier.

[Capn Trips]

As a start, you can convert the upgrades linked below for three of your devices to the 9960B01 and create an IR file and use that to create a wav file to upgrade your remote. To do so, you will have to read the Beginner's FAQ about how to use RemoteMaster, and IR, and also read the readme in the IR to WAV zip file.

sky standard uk model
panasonic dvdrw dmr e55
xbox 360

As for the remaining units, I would bet that the Sagem TV would be in OFA's European database, so you could go to OFA-int.com, register as an owner of some European OFA remote and download the wav upgrade for Sagem TVs to you PC. This can be imported into IR, and the resulting Device Upgrade(s) subsequently reverse-enginnered in RemoteMaster, converted for your 9960B01 and added to the IR image made above and wav-uploaded into your remote again.

I suspect you might be able to get the other two upgrades reverse-engineered the same way.

[blaster]

big thanks to above for giving me some insite to what i need and what to do ive got the software you have recommended just to have a look see if i can manage the task in hand, ive made the wav files there only 3 or 4 seconds long does that sound about correct, when ive used these wav files do i need to input a code into my kameleon

[Capn Trips]

Are you selecting only upgrades as your wav output? or entire image? 3-4 secs sounds a little bit short, but I really have no experience actually using wav files, but most that I've seen last about 30 secs. Some hints to the procedure here:https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2566

[Capn Trips]

HERE is a wav upgrade from OFA-Europe for Sagem TVs and Pacific Audio devices (4 of each).

It is formatted for the Euro Kameleon URC 8206. You can import this wav file into a blank instance of IR (ensure the rdf for the 8206 is in your rdf folder). Then you can take each device upgrade in turn and by double-clicking on it, select, copy and paste the upgrade into RemoteMaster (You will have to MANUALLY enter the 4-digit Device code and Device Type from the IR display).

Change the remote type in RM to 9960B01 and you should have an upgrade to try in your remote.

Of course, you don't know which will work best until you test them, so (memory permitting) you could add all of them, and then test each one in turn.

All of this is pretty tedious without a cable and pogo adapter, but you need to remember to add ALL of your upgrades to the IR file and then create the wav file you using the "entire image" option,

Good Luck.

I would do this for you, but my computer at work (where I am now) does not have Java, so I cannot run RM and this can't be done in KM. Perhaps later today if you have not solved it yet, I will try to put it all together into a wav file with all five upgrades in it for your 9960B01.

[johnsfine]

create the wav file you using the "entire image" option

Why "entire image"?

That would replace all the settings (change all the setup codes, etc. to what is selected in IR's setup sheet), replace all the macros and all the keymoves and all the learned signals.

From a quick read of this thread, I think making a wav file of just the upgrade area makes more sense (of course any button mappings changed to keymoves, when you change the selection of remote, would be lost if you just do the upgrade area).

[Capn Trips]

Why "entire image"?

That would replace all the settings (change all the setup codes, etc. to what is selected in IR's setup sheet), replace all the macros and all the keymoves and all the learned signals.

From a quick read of this thread, I think making a wav file of just the upgrade area makes more sense (of course any button mappings changed to keymoves, when you change the selection of remote, would be lost if you just do the upgrade area).

Perhpas you're right, but this way, the device code assignments can get made in IR, and as you point out, any keymoves imported with the upgrades will be preserved.

I sort of get the sense that the OP hasn't got too much programmed in the remote yet, if virtually EVERY device is listed on the wish list in the opening post.

However, the point is valid. All of these machinations deal with UPGRADES ONLY, so you could use IR's export to wav>upgrade only option. One would then have to manually assign the device codes on the remote.

[blaster]

HERE is a wav upgrade from OFA-Europe for Sagem TVs and Pacific Audio devices (4 of each).

It is formatted for the Euro Kameleon URC 8206. You can import this wav file into a blank instance of IR (ensure the rdf for the 8206 is in your rdf folder). Then you can take each device upgrade in turn and by double-clicking on it, select, copy and paste the upgrade into RemoteMaster (You will have to MANUALLY enter the 4-digit Device code and Device Type from the IR display).

Change the remote type in RM to 9960B01 and you should have an upgrade to try in your remote.

Of course, you don't know which will work best until you test them, so (memory permitting) you could add all of them, and then test each one in turn.

All of this is pretty tedious without a cable and pogo adapter, but you need to remember to add ALL of your upgrades to the IR file and then create the wav file you using the "entire image" option,

Good Luck.

I would do this for you, but my computer at work (where I am now) does not have Java, so I cannot run RM and this can't be done in KM. Perhaps later today if you have not solved it yet, I will try to put it all together into a wav file with all five upgrades in it for your 9960B01.

Can i first say thanks very much for your time and effort, just a shame im a complete ass and cant get any where, ive looked in my rdf folder and dont have 8206 ( so thats my first job will see if i can find that in the dl section) also ive opened ir tool and looked at how i can load the wav into it cant see it but will try again, im sure we will get there with your help.

update i had a very old irtool so got the new one, also got new rdf files so making slow progress.

im now using ir 2.31 and i have kameleon 8206 rdf, but when i import from wav i get error unknown block type , so i tried loading the 8206 rdf which shows the blank devices and then tried import from wav and choosing merge with current which also gives same error, so tried import from wav new image and also same error, any idea's what im doing wrong.

[Capn Trips]

Where did you get IR 2.31?!?! That's pretty ancient!

First of all, you should go to the software download page and download the latest IR.exe (7.00 beta 3 or 6.20). Then get the latest rdf.zip file and unzip it to the same directory as where you have IR.exe. Then get RemoteMaster (RM), Maps and Images, and then IRtoWAV. Now you have a fighting chance.

[Capn Trips]

Well, the more I look at this, despite the logic and theory seeming to be sound, I am having a bunch of anomalous behaviour when I try to do this, so I suspect blaster will have trouble reverse-engineering the upgrades from the wav's as well. I'm going to describe what I see and link this thread from a bug report post over in the Software forum to get a software dude to look at what's happening.

When I take the wav file linked above and import it into IR I get this IR file.

It shows four upgrades for TV devices (TV/0830, 08383, 1313 & 1314 - presumably the Sagem TV) and four for Audio devices (AUD/1601, 1612, 1437 & 1442 - presumably for the Pacific).

I then take these device upgrades one by one and import them into RM (manually editing the Device type and device code, and selecting the correct remote (8206)).

The TV/0830 and 0838 upgrades seem to import OK, although some of the data are changed if I simply turn around and re-copy it back to IR, but the protocol, fixed data and key map all look the same.

The TV/1313 and 1314 upgrades, however do NOT import correctly, the 1313 seems to immediately require a protocol upgrade, of which there is none in the wav file, and BOTH import with a keymove - which is not present in the IR file. Needless to say, they do NOT properly turn around and import into IR with the same data as the upgrades from which they were created.

This is the TV/1313 upgrade in IR from the wav file:

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65 00 FC BE 0E F6 C1 AC 00 00 00 64 F4 74 B4 34 
D4 54 94 14 E4 9C 1C FC EC 6C AC 7C CC A4 C0 78 
B8 00 F8 84 C4 18 E8 68 A8 04 5C 4C D0 30 

and here it is copied to the clipboard from RM IMMEDIATELY AFTER importing it:

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Upgrade code 0 = 10 00 (TV/0000) (RM v1.77)
 65 39 7C BE 0E F6 C1 AC 00 00 00 9C 1C FC EC 6C
 AC 7C CC A4 C0 78 B8 00 F8 84 C4 18 E8 68 A8 04
 5C 4C D0 30
KeyMoves
 83 F0 04 10 00 00 EE«sleep»
End
Upgrade protocol 0 = 00 65 (HCS08) Emerson Combo (4-device) (RM v1.77)
 20 23 23 4A 41 C3 45 06 06 01 B2 01 B3 01 B2 05
 19 CC 7E 06 CB 06 CC 01 A2 01 A3 01 A2 04 E6 C4
 4A 06 8A 06 8B B6 64 A4 03 8C 97 E6 60 B7 60 43
 B7 62 B6 64 B7 61 43 B7 63 03 60 11 45 22 47 35
 A7 CD FF 6E 45 00 0E E6 79 E7 6B 5B FA 01 60 06
 B6 60 A8 E4 B7 62 CC FF 5C
End

Is this indficative of an RDF problem? and IR problem? or a RM problem?

Similarly, the 1414 Raw import from IR to RM yields a keymove (?)

Of the Audio upgrades, two seemto import into RM fine (1601 and 1612) whilst the other two (1437 and 1442) import with keymoves.

I'm not smart enough to know WHAT can be causing this, but I suspect that either RM's Raw Data import algorithm, or IR's Wav file import algorithm, or the RDF for the 8206, or a combination of the three, is at fault.

Can Mark (IR), Greg(RM) and Nils(RDF), respectively, take a look?

[gfb107]

The protocol upgrade showing up in RM is an RDF issue. According to the RDF, all the protocols built into the 8206 are the unnamed variants. At least in the case of PID 0065, this is incorrect. Variant 2 is. So the Protocols section must be changed to reflect that. We should check the other protocols as well. See this post.

The magically appearing keymove is a bit confusing. This key move is appearing because a function is assigned to the sleep button, which has keycode $83, which looks like shift-power because power has keycode $03.
Is sleep really shift-power? There are other keys that look like shifted keys as well:

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sleep=$83,
color+=$84,
color-=$85,
bright+=$86,
bright-=$87

Are they really shifted?
I'm guessing they are not, so we need to let RM (and IR) know that the shift mask is not $80 (which usually means it is $C0)

When I add

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Shift=$C0

to the General section of the RDF, the keymove no longer appears.

If they ARE shifted keys, then there is a bug in RM.

The device upgrade code still looks different, but I think that's because the WAV upgrade doesn't use a digit map, while the RM upgrade does.

[blaster]

is there any chance anyone could import one of the files above and convert it for us to a wav upgrade to my urc 9960b01.

[Capn Trips]

is there any chance anyone could import one of the files above and convert it for us to a wav upgrade to my urc 9960b01.

I'm working on exactly that for you, but ran into this problem that makes the upgrades - questionable - so I am now downloading wav file upgrades for OTHER remotes (the 8060 and 8210) in the hopes that the rdf is more accurate and will result in a useful import into RM.

Also, I need to find the time to work on this, since Tax day is looming! (oh yeah, Easter, too)

[Capn Trips]

OK. It looks like the wav files for the 8060 give me the "best" results for a usable RM upgrade to convert to 9960. Hopefully I'll have a wav file for you to upload later tonight.

[Capn Trips]

OK blaster, give this a try. It includes:

(1) A wav file to upgrade your remote with, reflecting...

(2) the IR file including every upgrade below.

4 device upgrades for Sagem TVs:
(3) TV/0830 (assigned to the TV device)
(4) TV/0838
(5) TV/1313 (assigned to the PVR device)
(6) TV/1321

4 upgrades for Pacific Audio stuff (2 Amp and 2 Tuner):
(7) AUD/1437 (assigned to the AUX device)
(8) AUD/1447
(9) AUD/1601 (assigned to the AUDIO device)
(10) AUD/1610

1 upgrade each for:
(11) xBox - DVD/2000 (assigned to the CD device)
(12) Panasonic DVDR - CBL/1490 (assigned to the DVD device)
(13) Sky Box - CBL/1847 (assigned to the CBL device)

You can switch the Sagem and Pacific setup codes you are using directly on the remote to test the unassigned ones.

Lots of these have keymoves or buttons assigned to non-intuitive buttons, so you need to look at the individual upgrades in RM to get your button mappings.

I hope this at least gets you partway there.