8811 Extender

[vickyg2003]

Elizabeth wrote

I concur. Except just in the 7800 it's a bit rough to build, so for a quick and dirty setup, the simplest thing is to use device buttons for selection of key groups, and shift-device buttons for synchronizing inputs and general viewing/listening mode setup. The reason is that 7800 does not have builtins such as Long key press, so it has to be made on the keymoves sheet. Also no nested macros.

If I have a macro in my unextended Cinema 7 that says

TV; TV/VCR; DOWN_ARROW; DOWN_ARROW; ENTER; DVD/LD;CBL/SAT

This macro changes my TV input to DVD or SAT depending on its current state and makes sure that the T keys are pointed at the DVD and leaves the user in Satelite mode since that is where the user normally wants the remote to be.


Would this be a nested macro, since the TV , DVD/LDand CBL/SAT buttons are now macros?

Would you need to replace the TV; with M_TV
the DVD/LD; with T_DVD
the Cbl/SAT; M_TV

[vickyg2003]

Thank you John,

I can see the extender will save me lots of key moves. I like that the extender groups the T, P, V keys too, because I have related items on my shifted keys. I just expected the extender would work the way the remote normally did witch I had to do lots of key moves to get around.

[Capn Trips]

We're trying hard to walk you through everything, but many of these questions are truly addressed in the extender readme. In this case you are talking about Temporary Device Selection (i.e. you want to select a device mode ONLY to execute a command within a macro). The readme says:

Temporary Device Selection:
---------------------------

Within a macro, you often want to issue a key to a specific device
regardless of the previous device selection and without disturbing that
previous device selection. You use X_ commands to do that. For example,
the sequence
X_TV; 0; 3
in a macro would send the 0 and 3 keys to the TV regardless of the previous
device selection.

The X_ selection is automatically canceled when the outermost macro (see
nested macros) completes. If the above example were intended for use as a
top level macro, there would be no need for it to explicitly cancel its X_
command. If the above example were in a general purpose macro that might
be called by other macros, you probably should change it to:
X_TV; 0; 3; X_Cancel

While an X_ command is active, it applies to all keys. The usual division
into Pip, Menu, Channel, Volume, Transport and Other doesn't apply.

So you would make this macro as follows:

X_TV; TV/VCR; DOWN_ARROW; DOWN_ARROW; ENTER; T_DVD/LD;V_CBL/SAT;O_CBL/SAT; C_CBL/SAT;P_CBL/SAT;M_CBL/SAT

OR if you have pre-defined the CBL/SAT button with a button assignment macro of:
P/M/C/V/T/O_CBL/SAT

Then you can just call that macro and do the following:
CBL/SAT;X_TV; TV/VCR; DOWN_ARROW; DOWN_ARROW; ENTER; T_DVD/LD

In this case, the FIRST STEP calls the CBL/SAT macro and assigns all of the buttons to the CBL/SAT device. The next sequence executes the TV sequence you want (WITHOUT reassigning any keysets). The last step assigns the T keys to the DVD device.

[vickyg2003]

Yes, I can see that when I get home I'm going to have to download the files from the file section here instead of the files I down loaded at the yahoo site because that information was not in the readme's over there.

Thanks for all of your help.

[ElizabethD]

7800ext2 doesn't have temporary device selection nor x_cancel/dev_cancel. Speed and simplicity are key, but I sure wish johnsfine extended this extender

TV; TV/VCR; DOWN_ARROW; DOWN_ARROW; ENTER; DVD/LD;CBL/SAT
... Would this be a nested macro, since the TV , DVD/LDand CBL/SAT buttons are now macros?

I don't understand the tail end of the above unextended macro, but, I think the translation might be:
V_???;P_CBL; M_TV;TV/VCR;down;down;enter; M_CBL;T_DVD/LD

To punch through volume buttons, code V_RCV or V_TV where I put V_???.

Keep, but modify, the default macro on CBL/SAT to do just the key groups to fully control the CBL/SAT device, and then code this macro on shift-CBL/SAT for setup.

From readme file for extender:

Code: Select all

V keys:  VOL+, VOL-, MUTE
T keys:  REW, PLAY, FF, PAUSE, STOP, REC
P keys:  PIP-ON/OFF, PIP-SWAP, PIP-MOVE
M keys:  All keys except the SETUP, V, T and P keys.

and shifted keys fall into the same categories.

As far as nesting goes, no you can't nest. But a sequence of macros can be used
Macro1 = key, key, Macro2
Macro2 = key, key, key, Macro3
and so on. Not as easy as in other remotes, doesn't always fit, but is workable.

[Capn Trips]

OK, now I'm getting confused.

Are we working Vicky through the 8811 or the 7800 extender? The first post seems to indicate she's trying to set up her 8811, so that's all that I am talking about. Can we keep the 7800 confusion out of this? Pretty please?

[ElizabethD]

I'm unclear from post1 which remote we're talking about.
But on page 1 I thought she wanted both, and the first post on this page seems to be asking for translation.
Ok, all yours.

[vickyg2003]

Okay I'm back to my 8811, I've got all my key moves and macros in, and I have one problem. Everything I've assigned to a shifted key doesn't work.

I see in IR that there is a shift and an ALT Shift assigned to 2. Is that where my problem comes from?

[vickyg2003]

Never mind, the Shift keys were not working because of my programming error, although I do have one timing issue. I need to insert a pause.

I know you told me to get the pause protocol from KM, but I can't seem to find it there, so I went to the files section which once again sent me back to the YAHOO site, where I found a pause txt file for KM. So is it okay to get the file there?

[Mark Pierson]

get the pause protocol from KM, but I can't seem to find it there

Open KM, select the URC-881x/801x/601x remote, and then in the Protocol Name drop-down select Pause Protocol (Special). On the Functions sheet be sure to click the OBC button. Check the Protocol Help sheet for details.

[vickyg2003]

Doh! I had the wrong version of keymaster and IR!!!! Okay I've learned my lesson well. Stay away from Yahoo.

[greenough1]

Vickyg,
Did you end up using toadtog to control the mute state of your receiver? I'd like to do that to but could use an e.g. to guide me.

thanks,
jeff

[vickyg2003]

Oh how embarrassing! I can't believe I was that scattered! I think Capn_Trips and Elizabeth must have wanted to shoot me!!

Yes I did use the ToadTog for my mute, but after discovering LKPs I ended up doing most things with the short/long key press. A short mute press, mutes, a long mute unmutes. ToadTogs are hard for me because I have multiple remotes for each TV. I use ToadTogs to keep track of the state the remote is in, instead of the state my equipment is in.

[greenough1]

Thanks for the reply Vicky.

I setup a first cut of toadtog to keep track of the mute status of my RCVR.
Here's what I'm trying to do:
For these devices I want the RCVR muted: TV, SAT
For these devices I wan the RCVR un-muted: CD, DVD, CBL

I setup a Force On, Force Off Toadtog; Force On mutes RCVR, Force Off un-mutes RCVR

When switching to devices requiring RCVR muted, I execute Force On.
When switching to devices requiring RCVR un-muted, I execute Force Off.

I've not played with it for an evening yet, but preliminary testing shows it stays in sync unlike my other method.

In the old setup, I exectued an X_RCVR;mute in every LKP that switched between devices. going between TV and CBL would be fine as would CBL to TV. I would always be out of sync though when going from DVD to CBL, and would have to LKP it twice to get mute sync'd.

Does this sound like a sensible way to use toadtog?
Here's my current file:
dload.php?action=file&file_id=4746
See the RCVR shift/xshift+mute toadtog's for the definitions and the usage is in the LKP's.

Best,
jeff

[Capn Trips]

Does this sound like a sensible way to use toadtog?

Yes. I do basically the same thing to select between Digital and Analog Audio inputs on my receiver (a toggle function natively)