problem setting up new device in KM from learned code in IR

[ziploker]

i had ranout of memory and was setting up a new device (Panasonic DMR-ES15) from the learned code in IR.

I opened a new KM then:

1) entered my remote model (urc-8910)
2) selected device "cable" and setup code "2006"
3) have tried OBC and EFC

4) protocol name "Panasonic"
5) main device 176 (info i got from learned tab in IR)
6) sub device 16 (info i got from learned tab in IR)


Functions Tab:

7) entered OBC "117" (info i got from learned tab in IR)
8) entered EfC "16" (info i got from learned tab in IR)
9) entered Hex "F7" (info i got from learned tab in IR)

Buttons Tab:

10) mapped button in the dropdown box in the
"Functions (@ = keymove)" column
11) saved it in KM, then copied and pasted code in the "add device"
tab in IR


But it doesent work, this is my first time, am i missing a step or something? thanks for any help....

[The Robman]

setup tab:
3) have tried OBC and EFC

Functions Tab:

7) entered OBC "117" (info i got from learned tab in IR)
8) entered EfC "16" (info i got from learned tab in IR)
9) entered Hex "F7" (info i got from learned tab in IR)

I don't know how you were able to enter all three values but you just need to enter one. If you selected OBC in the setup tab, enter the OBC number, if you selected EFC, enter the EFC.

[johnsfine]

It is easier to start with an existing similar upgrade and change whatever details don't match your learned signals.

One upgrade that matches Panasonic 176.16 is
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... ile_id=622

But I don't see anything in your description that tells me why what you did didn't work.

As Rob commented, you went to more effort than necessary with EFC, OBC and Hex command. Maybe that is even where things went wrong (entering hex command in some way that messed up KM's automatic computation of the correct hex command from EFC or OBC).

If you're still having trouble after comparing what you did to the similar upgrade I suggested, you should post the .txt file saved from KM and probably also the .ir file with the upgrade included, saved from IR.exe exactly matching what you tested in the remote.

Also, I see you didn't mention doing anything on IR's general tab to assign the new setup code (CBL/2006) to any device key for testing. The "CBL" choice in KM is a device type, not a device key. It doesn't have any direct association to the CBL button in the remote.

[ziploker]

i tried downloading that "Panasonic 176.16," to use it as a foundatation but it says file doesent exist anymore.

I only entered the EfC code in KM, and let KM enter the rest and it worked.
Looked like i was trying to enter to much info.

However, after adding the new device in IR & loading that code in the remote ,then errasing the learned code in the remote it stoped working.

Is the correct way to remove the learned code, to do it from the "Learned Signals" Tab in IR.

im stumped, letme know where im going wrong, i understand it a lot better than before, thanks for any help

[johnsfine]

i tried downloading that "Panasonic 176.16," to use it as a foundatation but it says file doesent exist anymore.

You're right. Hopefully Rob will sort that out shortly. I still have the copy I downloaded from there a year ago if that is needed for restoring it.

However, after adding the new device in IR & loading that code in the remote ,then errasing the learned code in the remote it stoped working.

If you tested with learned signals present, you were testing the learned signals, not the upgrade. So it didn't stop working. It never was working.

Is the correct way to remove the learned code, to do it from the "Learned Signals" Tab in IR.

It is easy to remove learned signals in IR. Notice the buttons on the bottom.

We have a Diagnosis Area because it is easier to look at your .ir file than to guess what is wrong from just a description.

[ziploker]

i see, so i must have thought it was working, but really it was working off the learned code like you said,

Could the problem be the "Main Device" & "Sub Device" settings in the KM Setup Tab. I left them with 0 values. What to these values actually affect, and how would i know what values to put, if starting from scratch.

Below is the txt file i saved from KM, i onlyhave the few learned codes i had in the remote, maybe u can let me know if u see any mistakes

[Edit: I deleted the KM file from this post. Please post it in the Diagnosis Area of the file section of you want people to look at it. Rob]

thanks again..

[johnsfine]

5) main device 176 (info i got from learned tab in IR)
6) sub device 16 (info i got from learned tab in IR)

It sure sounded like you understood that part. But ...

Could the problem be the "Main Device" & "Sub Device" settings in the KM Setup Tab. I left them with 0 values. What to these values actually affect, and how would i know what values to put, if starting from scratch.

If those values aren't right, none of the signals will work.

How did you get from knowing those values to not knowing them.

Below is the txt file i saved from KM,

I should have been clearer when first requesting that. I hate cleaning up the mess my browser makes of such files (when copying them out of posts), just to get back to where you started.

Files should be posted in the Diagnosis area and their URL posted in the forum. Don't post files directly into the forum.

[ziploker]

and here is the link to the *.IR file


i'll keep trying in the meantime, thanks for any help


https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=3363

[johnsfine]

and here is the link to the *.IR file


i'll keep trying in the meantime,

Maybe you were already typing and missed my earlier reply. But you seem to have ignored the answer.

Your upgrade doesn't work because you didn't put the device and subdevice on KM's setup sheet.

[ziploker]

Maybe you were already typing and missed my earlier reply. But you seem to have ignored the answer.

Your upgrade doesn't work because you didn't put the device and subdevice on KM's setup sheet.

sorry, i diddent see that part of your post,

the reason i thought i knew these values is because i downloaded a few similer panasonic dvd device upgrades, and they all have 176 for the "Main device" setting, and either 0 or 16 for the "sub device" setting.

I shoulda known better, cuz none of the device upgrades i downloaded worked, but i assumed the main and sub device settings should still be the same. But after that failed, i tried leaving them at zero. but that failed too.

How would i go about discovering these "main device" and "sub device" #'s for my DMR-ES15 panasonic ES-15.


This stuff is preaty cool, i know i'll get the hang of it very soon. then i'll jump in to extenders. but in the meantime any help would be great.

thanks

[ziploker]

sorry, i must seem like the bigget newibe.... i just realized the master and sub device info was included in the original learned info in IR..

works like a charm now

[Capn Trips]

the reason i thought i knew these values is because i downloaded a few similer panasonic dvd device upgrades, and they all have 176 for the "Main device" setting, and either 0 or 16 for the "sub device" setting.

I shoulda known better, cuz none of the device upgrades i downloaded worked, but i assumed the main and sub device settings should still be the same. But after that failed, i tried leaving them at zero. but that failed too.

How would i go about discovering these "main device" and "sub device" #'s for my DMR-ES15 panasonic ES-15.

I've been following along, and thought I understood, but now you have ME confused, as well. In your FIRST post at the top, you claim that the LEARNED SIGNALS decoded to Device 176, Subdevice 16, so THAT is ground truth. You must use these values in IR.

If none of the pre-existing upgrades work, then it's simplest to just build it from scratch with your learned decoded signals.

The IR file you uploaded is pretty useless, since there are no notes and you don't identify what upgrade is for what device. Anyways, what would likely be more useful is the Device upgrade file (KM or RM) that you are using, and the IR file that contains the learned signals in it. (Not the Proton learned signals currently there)

There also appears to be a problem with your rdf file, since I got an error when opening your IR file. Ensure you have the latest version of the rdf's from the tools>main section.

[ziploker]

your FIRST post at the top, you claim that the LEARNED SIGNALS decoded to Device 176, Subdevice 16, so THAT is ground truth. You must use these values in IR.

Yes, i see where the confusion is. I had said i used device "176" and sub device "16" - But i had gotton these values from another device upgrade that diddent work instead of looking at the learned information. However, it was a coincidence they were right.

the reason i screwed up the first attempt was because; instead of only using the EFC or the OBC value, i also overrode KM, and entered the hex value as well,

then after that diddent work, i started messing with the main/sub device settings.

Now i realize that from the learned info, i get the main/sub device #'s, and either the EFC or OBC #'s and the protocol

I dunno if that explaines things, but It seems easy to me now, after i make a few more device upgrades for my other components, i'll post um up and try to get into the extender.

thanks again for all your guys help..

[Mark Pierson]

i also overrode KM, and entered the hex value as well,

For future reference:

By default, KM prevents you from entering any data into cells where you shouldn't (i.e. the Hex column on the Functions sheet). When you say "overrode", I assume that to mean you disabled KM's cell protection in order to be able to enter values into the Hex column. As you have learned, that should NEVER be done. Most of KM's formulas are "one-way" meaning they're derived from some other entry. By overriding any of them, you'll likely break KM's calculations thereby creating bogus upgrade info.

[ziploker]

yup, that was a dumb move; me overriding KM's cell protection.

anyways, u learn for yer mistakes, and i've learned pleanty so far