creating an upgrade

maxse · Post by **maxse** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:58 pm

So I am trying to create an upgrade for the Sanyo PLV-Z4 projector. I read the guide and learned some buttons but when I open IR and go to learned commands I dont see the same image as in the tutorial.

I only see the frequency and bunch of repeating number that are "Sent once when key is pressed"

I dont have the protocol, device, or sub device chart anywhere. I am using the latest version of ir.exe. Am I missing something?

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:05 pm

For IR to reliably decode there are two basic requirements:
(1) You must have the latest decodeir.dll file in the same directory as IR.exe. Download it from the file>Tools>main section;
(2) You must have good learns. Which requires:
(a) good batteries in BOTH remotes (CHECK them. Don't assume)
(b) proper learning technique - both remotes on a stable surface, within 2-4 inches of each other, proper sequence of buttons - to wit, place the "learner" in the "learning mode" before pressing AND HOLDING the button to be learned. Release it only after the "learning" remote indicates success (or lack of). There are posts about this, if you do a search.

If you still have problems, upload your learned IR file to the diagnosis area and post a link to it here and someone will have a look.

maxse · Post by **maxse** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:15 pm

everything is being learned correctly because the 2117 says success when lerned. The problem is that in my IR.EXE I dont even have that whole chart that lists OFC. It's just not there.

I just have Raw Signal Information:
frequency:
and the next thing is
sent once when key is pressed:

Where ist he box that is supposed to show the OFC values and protocol etc.. Its just not there. Like in the image shown on the tutorial. My decodeir.dll version is 2.14, and ir.exe 6.15.

Any help?

whompus · Post by **whompus** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:22 pm

DecodeIr should be 2.29 which is here in tools section.

maxse · Post by **maxse** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:23 pm

ok doesnt matter. I got it. Byut I sitll dont have a chart for OBC, EFC... anywhere in IR.exe.

Its not even blank it is just not there the only information field available are frequency, sent once when kjey is pressed, sent repeatedly, sent once upon completetion, and not:

There are the only things that I can get. Nothing that saya nything OBC or protocol. By the way this is in the learned signals tab in IR.

*EDIT* I have other device upgrades though already loaded form before ones that I got online. Could tihs be somehow effecting it so that it doesnt show me the OBC and protocol values for learned things?

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:30 pm

everything is being learned correctly because the 2117 says success when lerned. The problem is that in my IR.EXE I dont even have that whole chart that lists OFC. It's just not there.

NOT NECESSARILY!
IR only displays those fileds when it can decode the signal. If it cannot decode the signal, those fileds will not be there.

Is decodeIR.dll where IR.exe can find it?

"Success" does not mean that the learn is of sufficient quality to be decoded. That's why I said what I said about batteries and technique.

Finally, if you're REALLY certain that you are doing ecerything correctly, it is conceivable taht this is a new protocol that has hertorfore not been encountered, and decodeir.dll does not currently support it. In that case, upload your learned IR file and post a link.

maxse · Post by **maxse** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:31 pm

guys but if it can't decode it why am I not even see the empty chart for obc values, protocol and other values? Wouldnt it just be blank?

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:33 pm

maxse wrote:guys but if it can't decode it why am I not even see the empty chart for obc values, protocol and other values? Wouldnt it just be blank?

NO! This is what I am saying. Those fields/boxes/areas/whatever you want to call them, DO NOT APPEAR in IR when it cannot decode the signal!

whompus · Post by **whompus** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:34 pm

Not Necessarily. I suspect it to be bad learn. But could be wrong. I have a 2116 that just is not good at learning.

maxse · Post by **maxse** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:35 pm

huh. That trange it work now lol. Thanks guys. I;ll get back to you on how it works out, and upload the whole file for this projector when Im done.

whompus · Post by **whompus** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:37 pm

Cool.. You never did say if the file you refered to in your code search thread gives some functions or not. I suspect it will but then like Capn said it could be a new protocol as well.

maxse · Post by **maxse** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:15 pm

thanks guys. Im working on it. And you where right it was a bad learn I guess. I still am confused though about how to pick a setup code in KM?

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:21 pm

maxse wrote:I still am confused though about how to pick a setup code in KM?

You can use any number between 0 and 2047. As long as its unique compared to other upgrades and isn't the same as a built-in code that you're using, it really doesn't matter. Our convention has been to add 1000 if an upgrade is based on a known setup code. For example, CBL/0476 would become CBL/1476. There's no requirement for this however.

maxse · Post by **maxse** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:29 pm

cool. In the tutorial it said to use a (2) wher eyou are not sure so that is what I did. I was asking so tht when I post it people wont gte confused. I can't wait to give back to the forum! So far so good.

Quick question though. For the Z2 and Z1, and "Sanyo prjector" upgrades at the file section I found discrete on and off codes but I noticed those had different device and sub device codes. How can I find out if my projector has a discrete code, and how do I figure out what it is?

Post by **The Robman** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:39 pm

maxse wrote:cool. In the tutorial it said to use a (2) wher eyou are not sure so that is what I did.

Which tutorial said to use "2"?

maxse wrote:I was asking so tht when I post it people wont gte confused.

I don't mean to sound too nit picky, but could you try proof reading your posts a little as they are kinda hard to follow with all the typos.

maxse wrote:Quick question though. For the Z2 and Z1, and "Sanyo prjector" upgrades at the file section I found discrete on and off codes but I noticed those had different device and sub device codes. How can I find out if my projector has a discrete code, and how do I figure out what it is?

Until we see the code list that you come up with for the Z4, we have no reason to believe that it uses the same OBCs as either the Z1 or the Z2. Therefore, what you would need to do is, once you have compiled a list of all the OBCs from your projector remote, you would look for all the gaps in the sequence. You would then create a dummy upgrade, where all of the buttons are programmed with "gap" OBCs, and load it into your remote. You would then test each of the buttons to see what, if anything, they do. When you find that a button does something, you look up what OBC that you used on that button and you then add the function to the master list in your original upgrade. You may need to make a couple of passes with each dummy upgrade, where one pass you have the projector on (looking for the discrete off) code, and then you try it again with the projector off (looking for the discrete on code). Hopefully, the ON and OFF codes use sequential OBCs, so once you find one you can make an educated guess as to the other.