RMDU for Navigator URC-44000-B02 Incorrect?

[kdog38]

I think the rmdu for the Navigator URC-44000-B02 is incorect. I think the PG+ and PG- keys are swapped with the Page Up and Page Down keys. Whatever I program on the Page Up key appears on the PG+ and vice versa. The same is true for the Page Down key. Whatever I program on that appears on the PG- button and vice versa. Can anyone else validate if this is correct?

[Mark Pierson]

I think you really mean the RDF file.

Are you building upgrades that display this behavior (if so, are you using KM or RM?), or are you programming key moves/macros directly in IR?

[kdog38]

I think you really mean the RDF file.

My bad, that's what I mean. I am using an existing upgrade file called Sony KV-27S66 TV_0000.txt and RM. The functions are all valid but if you look at what supposedly is the Page Up and Page Down buttons and the PG+ and PG- they are reversed. I assume that information comes from the RDF file and if so it is incorrect.

[Mark Pierson]

Just to be sure, did you remember to select the proper remote model?

[kdog38]

Yes, I have the correct remote unless there is something different with mine. It indicates on the back it is a URC-44CXXXB02. It looks identical to the B02 pictured in the RM except some of the lower 12 buttons are labeled differently. Starting from left to right and down each row mine are labeled Help, Fav, Lock, TV/VCR, Bypass, Pause, Day-,Day+, diamond, P, and the last two are blank. I can pretty much figure out from the B02 pictured what the corresponding buttons are. How are the buttons defined in the RDF file? Is it with the hex codes? If so, take a look at the RDF for the Navigator URC-44000-B00. The page up is listed as hex $2B and the page down is listed as $2C. On the B02 PG+ is listed as $2B and the PG- is listed as $2C. The page up arrow on the B02 is listed as $2A and the page down arrow is listed as $2E. On the B00 the blank 2 is listed as $2A and blank 1 is listed as $2E. Although I am not an expert and just learning how to program using JP1 I'm fairly confident the RDF for B02 is wrong. Can I modify the RDF file in notepad?

[Mark Pierson]

If so, take a look at the RDF for the Navigator URC-44000-B00. The page up is listed as hex $2B and the page down is listed as $2C. On the B02 PG+ is listed as $2B and the PG- is listed as $2C. The page up arrow on the B02 is listed as $2A and the page down arrow is listed as $2E. On the B00 the blank 2 is listed as $2A and blank 1 is listed as $2E. Although I am not an expert and just learning how to program using JP1 I'm fairly confident the RDF for B02 is wrong. Can I modify the RDF file in notepad?

After just a quick look, you may be correct. KM lists page up=$2B, and page down=$2C for both models, supporting what you're saying. The B02 RDF seems incorrect, and yes it can be edited with notepad. More importantly, Nils or somebody will need to be sure to update the official RDF files so that the problem is corrected once and for all.

[kdog38]

After just a quick look, you may be correct. KM lists page up=$2B, and page down=$2C for both models, supporting what you're saying. The B02 RDF seems incorrect, and yes it can be edited with notepad. More importantly, Nils or somebody will need to be sure to update the official RDF files so that the problem is corrected once and for all.

Will you pass this information along to whomever is responsible to get them corrected? If so, I will make the changes to mine. Thanks for checking on that for me. Here is what I think the correct codes should be:
Page Up Arrow $2B
Page Down Arrow $2C
PG+ $2E
PG- $2A

This is assuming PG+ is the first key in the second row of 12 of programmable buttons and PG- is the second key in the second row.

[Mark Pierson]

Here is what I think the correct codes should be:
Page Up Arrow $2B
Page Down Arrow $2C
PG+ $2E
PG- $2A

This is assuming PG+ is the first key in the second row of 12 of programmable buttons and PG- is the second key in the second row.

Hopefully, our resident Navigator expert Mike England (aka mr_d_p_gumby) can/will confirm this before we send Nils on a wild goose chase.

[mr_d_p_gumby]

Hopefully, our resident Navigator expert Mike England (aka mr_d_p_gumby) can/will confirm this before we send Nils on a wild goose chase.

These keys can get confusing, because one of the differences between the -B00 and the -B02 is that they added two more page up/down keys to the -B02 (the "arrow" versions). Between that, and the different button labelling from various cable companies, it's hard to make sure you're talking about the same buttons. The latest RDF I gave to Nils for release says:

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"next track":"Page Up Arrow"=$2A,
"prev track":"Page Down Arrow"=$2E,
"slow+":Pg+=$2B,
"slow-":Pg-=$2C,

Are you sure we're referring to the same keys? The "arrow" versions are triangular shaped buttons just above the normal arrow key set, while the PG+/- keys are the ones under the sliding cover.

Starting from left to right and down each row mine are labeled Help, Fav, Lock, TV/VCR, Bypass, Pause, Day-,Day+, diamond, P, and the last two are blank.

The -B02 remote that I have actually has the buttons labelled the same as yours (Comcast version). The PG+/- buttons refered to in the RDF are labelled Bypass and Pause on the remote.

Before we can determine if you are correct, we need to eliminate the effect of the keymap used by an upgrade. Since I don't know if you were assigning functions via a keymapped key or with keymoves, can you create a macro on the remote (not in IR) that includes each of the four page buttons, and then look at the macro in IR and see if it agrees with your assumptions (using your modified RDF)?

[kdog38]

Are you sure we're referring to the same keys? The "arrow" versions are triangular shaped buttons just above the normal arrow key set, while the PG+/- keys are the ones under the sliding cover.

Yes, I am sure of the proper keys.

Before we can determine if you are correct, we need to eliminate the effect of the keymap used by an upgrade. Since I don't know if you were assigning functions via a keymapped key or with keymoves, can you create a macro on the remote (not in IR) that includes each of the four page buttons, and then look at the macro in IR and see if it agrees with your assumptions (using your modified RDF)?

I guess I don't understand your question. The original upgrade file was created for a 15-2116 and I just loaded it in RM and chose the Navigator remote in the drop down. My understanding is RM only allows you to create functions and or map functions to buttons. All I am doing is mapping the function to a button and when I map a function to the page up arrow it puts it on what is the pause key on my remote (i.e. PG- or second button on the second row of 12 under the slide cover). When I map a function to the page down arrow it appears on the bypass key on my remote (i.e. PG+ or first button on the second row of 12 under the slide cover). Conversely, when I map a function to the PG- key it appears on the page down arrow (the triangular button just below the volume keys) and when I map a function to the PG+ key it appears on the page up arrow (the triangular button just below the channel keys). I have a few learning remotes (i.e. Cinema 7800, 15-2116, and 15-2117) so if there is something specific you want me to check I can do that. To answer your original question I'm not using any keymoves from the upgrade they are all keymapped.

[mr_d_p_gumby]

I guess I don't understand your question.

I'm simply trying to confirm that the problem is with the key numbers assigned to the buttons in the RDF, as opposed to an error in the keymap. If you assign a function via an upgrade that does not generate a keymove, then it's being done through the keymap. The method I described using a macro created on the remote itself will directly test that the key numbers are correct.

[kdog38]

I'm simply trying to confirm that the problem is with the key numbers assigned to the buttons in the RDF, as opposed to an error in the keymap. If you assign a function via an upgrade that does not generate a keymove, then it's being done through the keymap. The method I described using a macro created on the remote itself will directly test that the key numbers are correct.

I didn't know this remote had the ability to create macros. Can you explain how I can go about this?

[gfb107]

See page 34 of the user's guide. If you don't have yours, see http://support.radioshack.com/support_v ... /70182.pdf

[kdog38]

See page 34 of the user's guide. If you don't have yours, see http://support.radioshack.com/support_v ... /70182.pdf

I'm really confused now. I have the Navigator URC-44CXXXB02 remote. There are only 3 possible keys to create a macro (labeled fav, ppv, and all on). I tried using setup 995 and it doesn't allow to learn anything. I think these are set by the cable company and maybe stored in ROM. I even tried learning the output to my 15-2116 but it errors out and then when you press the key there is no IR output.

[gfb107]

I's sorry. I got confused between 2 thread. I thought you had a 15-2133. Never mind.