Upgrade memory full - need help

[lnoland1]

My 8811 was dying so I recently purchased a new 9910 and began moving my configuration over to it. I was using the extender with the 8811 so chose the extender for the 9910 as well. I only got a little more than half my devices into IR when I ran out of upgrade memory. At first I tried to use the extender 2/extender 3 definitions in the upgrade area but had problems with RemoteMaster which I didn't know how to solve and when i started searching the forums for a solution on that, it appeared that there might be some question over the viability of those extenders so I decided to go back to the first version. I managed to eliminate quite a bit of memory usage by eliminating one of the extender protocols I didn't need and by removing a couple of my upgrades and just using keymoves in conjunction with the built in setup codes for a couple of the devices but I am still over the limit and running out of ideas.

It occurred to me that there might be a workaround I am not aware of, however, with regards to my two VCRs. They are both JVC S9500 VCRs but they are set up to respond to different remote codes. One uses VCR/0067, which is built in to my remote and was one of the devices where I resorted to key-moves so that I could eliminate an upgrade. The other uses VCR/0008, however, which is not built into my remote (and it was in loading it into IR where I ran out of upgrade memory). All the keycodes are the same between the two definitions, they use the same JVC base protocol -- it appears that the only difference is in the one byte of fixed data. Is there some way of using the built in VCR/0067 definition to access both?

Failing that, I still need to figure out a way of cutting down on memory. I have uploaded my IR file:

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=3903

It is a long way from finished though most of what is left is setting up a bunch of additional key moves, add a bunch of macros, etc., so shouldn' t use any additional upgrade memory. I was hoping that some of you might be kind enough to have a quick look and see if there's anything obvious I could do to regain some upgrade memory.

Thank you for any help you can offer.

- Les

[The Robman]

Are you using any of the extender features? If not, maybe you'd have more memory available by not using it. If the only feature that you are using is the ability to program macros onto the device buttons, the URC-9910 lets you do that even without an extender.

[lnoland1]

Are you using any of the extender features? If not, maybe you'd have more memory available by not using it. If the only feature that you are using is the ability to program macros onto the device buttons, the URC-9910 lets you do that even without an extender.

I make pretty heavy use of the device specific macros, toadtog, and the pause function. I have three ReplayTVs and I use one upgrade and the advanced selection protocol to switch among them while using toadtog to keep track of the current one so I know which switcher input to use, which TV input to activate, which unit to turn on/off, etc.

Besides, I don't know how it is with this extender but on my 8811 I had to move to the extender because I was running out of memory when using it natively -- the extender made more memory available (I don't recall whether that was more memory overall or whether it was just a more favorable mix of moves/macros vs. upgrades for what I was trying to do).

- Les

[johnsfine]

Is there some way of using the built in VCR/0067 definition to access both?

I think that would be VERY difficult.

Failing that, I still need to figure out a way of cutting down on memory. I have uploaded my IR file:

This would be a lot easier to figure out if we also had the relevent KM or RM files, the ones you want to add in IR but don't have room as well as the ones you included in IR.

I haven't compared OBC numbers: How different is your DVD/1902 from the built-in DVD/558 or DVD/623?

I don't see KeyMoves for the Misc/110x devices. Are you planning to add those later?

[lnoland1]

This would be a lot easier to figure out if we also had the relevent KM or RM files, the ones you want to add in IR but don't have room as well as the ones you included in IR.

I believe that all of the upgrades are in IR at this point -- it just complained that I overloaded memory when I loaded the final one (device 1008).

I will upload the RM files when I get home tonight.

I don't see KeyMoves for the Misc/110x devices. Are you planning to add those later?

Yeah -- the only keymoves/macros in there are ones which loaded automatically with the extender or with the device upgrades. I wanted to do all of my upgrades first since, if I'm forced to scale back on my upgrades due to memory, my keymoves might not have a device to which to refer.

- Les

[lnoland1]

I'm looking at some of the upgrades you are using. We can definitely improve that TV/0063 upgrade that you're using for the Sampo, and maybe the LDP/1074 upgrade that you're using for the JVC also.

That's great news. What's the approach you are thinking about?

[Section added]
By the way, speaking of the LDP/1074, this is the first time I have ever used the device combiner protocol and when looking at saving space it had occurred to me that the protocol takes up an awful lot of space, which brought up two questions -- both, I think relevant to this discussion.

First, one of the devices used in the device combiner is a device not supported in the remote -- do I have to create an upgrade for it as well (I don't remember doing that for my 8811)?

Second, presuming an upgrade for that device is not too large, it would seem that just using keymoves might be a lot more memory efficient. If that's true, what is the major advantage of the device combiner then? Is it just the convenience of defining everything in one spot?

- Les

[The Robman]

You're two for two (as if anyone is surprised). I'll try experimenting with the JVC Combo protocol and see how it works.

Just FYI, there is an upgrade in the file section for the 9010 that already uses the combo protocol.

[johnsfine]

I don't want to duplicate Rob's efforts, so I haven't looked at very much in your .zip file.

But I did compare your OBC numbers in DVD/1902 to the built-in DVD/0558 and DVD/0623. All three are pretty much the same. DVD/0558 has a different OBC for the '0' digit and each of 558 and 623 are missing a few of the advanced functions.

If you were still short of upgrade space (unlikely after all of Rob's help), you have plenty of free KeyMove space. With a few KeyMoves you could use DVD/0623 instead of your DVD/1902 upgrade.

[lnoland1]

I didn't find the upgrade using the JVC combo protocol which Rob had mentioned but, for what it's worth, I found another upgrade for my receiver (or, at least, one very similar to mine) which uses JVC Tuner/0163. Actually, it mentions that it also uses SAT/2006 for keymoves but I don't understand how it is doing that -- everything seems to be using the one protocol from what I can tell. I checked it out and it was quite a bit smaller than mine. I replaced mine with this and now I am back to having surplus upgrade memory - a whopping 13 bytes of it. To be sure, with a margin that thin I am likely to find myself in trouble again sooner or later so I'll look into the DVD recommendations as well when I get a chance.

And while I feel like I can't possibly say it enough, I really want to thank you guys for your help, your skill, and your dedication. There are a good many commercial companies whose support staff falls far short by comparison. It is truly awesome the amount of effort you all put in day after day helping people without compensation. You guys are great!

- Les

[The Robman]

I didn't find the upgrade using the JVC combo protocol which Rob had mentioned but, for what it's worth, I found another upgrade for my receiver (or, at least, one very similar to mine) which uses JVC Tuner/0163. Actually, it mentions that it also uses SAT/2006 for keymoves

My mistake, that's actually the one that I found, I then checked to see if a JVC Combo was available and thought it was there already.

[The Robman]

As the original thread had basically divided into three seperate discussions, I have split the thread accordingly as follows:

1) Upgrade memory full - need help
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7474

2) Sampo PME42S6 plasma TV
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7503

3) RM problems with 3-byte protocol
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7502