OneForAll URC-7950 Comfort Line 5

[tranx]

Hi

While getting help with URC-7950 I posted the image in the diagnostic area. Although it is a European model I was later surprised to find that, even after the experts had kindly looked at it, it had been downloaded a few times. Have recently made some more progress with it so have just uploaded the update ((updated 2.12.2013 so it now says 0 downloads again) in case it might be of interest.

I really like this JP1.3 remote. As yet no extender has been made available. There is more than enough space for keymoves while there are few spare buttons and scope for less confusion because there is less to remember.

Hope the included upgrades might be of some interest too but I have previously added them in RCAP05BR form to the upgrades file section.

7950 RMIR image:-
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=11149

TV: Samsung UE55F8000
SAT: FoxSat HDR
VCR: Humax PVR-9300T
AMP: Panasonic SC-BTT370
DVD: Panasonic DMR-EX75/85

using:-
Controls to protect electronics when shutting down the Tv & Receiver with #1.Lime remote IR mains plug (command is DMR's 'timeslip').

DMR-EX75/85 employs #2.Lime mains plug (command is DMR's 'Text') .

SC-BTT370 Home Theatre/BluRay player's macro workaround for its problematic input selection:-
Behind the scenes with reliance upon Tv's CEC to switch the input. and go to its 'Home' page, then Input iPod.. to bump input to last remembered input.

Tv's Input command keymoved to Tv's mode button, Tv's Hdmi1 keymoved to SAT's SAT mode button, Tv's Hdmi2 keymoved to VCR's VCR mode button.

With no DSM's and few keys to spare, the shifted number buttons and five phantom and 5 shifted phantom buttons are available to carry macros, with keymoves to other buttons on the devices, in effect to make them device specific.

User Manual:-
http://files.remotecentral.com/view/599 ... ine_5.html

In RMIR's general tab, what do "...set up code locks" and the "standard/alternate" key map options signify please?

Regards
Chris

[Pulse]

Hi Tranx

Tv's Discrete Input commands did not work on the Device Select Buttons unless they were applied by keymoving their EFC5 codes to the buttons.

Could you please explain to me how you did this

I have the 7940 and the 7930 which I have put 6 pin headers in both (drilled in 7930) and discovered that if I upload as a 7950 in RMIR not (IR doesn't work) it gives me phantom devices. hope this helps someone else

[tranx]

Hi Tranx

Tv's Discrete Input commands did not work on the Device Select Buttons unless they were applied by keymoving their EFC5 codes to the buttons.

Could you please explain to me how you did this...7940 and the 7930 which I have put 6 pin headers in both (drilled in 7930) and discovered that if I upload as a 7950 in RMIR not (IR doesn't work) it gives me phantom devices....

It is now gobbldegook to me too, perhaps because I never quite understood it in the first place!

Don't have that Tv now to test it, but think that just by trial and error found that it worked.

I guess I got the EFC5 numbers by doing learns for the Tv's discrete input commands from a Harmony remote, and reading them from that, or possibly from some RMIR screen where the right EFC5s might have been mentioned elsewhere.

Then probably got the EFC5 numbers into the Keymove configuration by using the (non-default) 'EFC-5' button in the Edit Keymove window, to bring up the text box to be able to enter them, as shown in the superimposed image which is outlined in red:-

[Pulse]

Thank you for taking the time to explain that....
I will have a play and see if I can understand/get something working

thanks again

[tranx]

No probs, except that I just tried it and so far with our current Samsung F8000 Tv and, at least with shifted device buttons, there is no difficulty with just allocating Hdmi commands/macros directly!

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=12156

- So you probably won't need to bother with it after all but if you do:-

Looking again it seems that above in the keymove example:-

Bound Key = 'SAT' [the key you want to configure]

Function to perform:
Device Type = TV [the device-mode in which the 'SAT' key is to be configured]
Setup Code = 1650 [the setup code for the device 'TV']
EFC-5 = 60471 [when using set-up-code 1650, this happens to be the appropriate EFC5 code for the command which tells the Tv to select Hdmi1]

[Pulse]

Thankyou so much!!!! that works

previously I had shifted Device macros that sent all the discrete codes to power on the Tv, turn on the Amp, set the inputs which worked ok but wanted one touch to set up an activity.

Now following your great instructions (thanks again) I assigned the macro to phantom3 then Keymoved phantom3 it to the TV Device key.

I guess I have never really understood keymoves properly (still dont)
as I tried to create an upgrade file to put in the file section for my Naim amp as there wasnt one for my model for others to use.

However when I tried to cut and paste the upgrade to RMIR the "ok" button was always greyed out until I backspaced (deleted ) all the keymove stuff in the paste I had just done, then the "ok" button was reenabled.

more study required I guess

Thanks again

[tranx]

.... I tried to create an upgrade file to put in the file section for my Naim amp as there wasnt one for my model for others to use.

However when I tried to cut and paste the upgrade to RMIR the "ok" button was always greyed out until I backspaced (deleted ) all the keymove stuff in the paste I had just done, then the "ok" button was reenabled...

Good idea to put the Naim amp upgrade into the file section.

Not sure why you needed to paste anything, so perhaps I have missed something, but in my own mind there are just two types of things worth saving for future use.

1.) From the 'File' tab of the main RMIR pages: the 'image' can be saved of everything which has been uploaded to the remote, ready for use in future to reconfigure the remote. The image contains all the info about macros, key moves, and Device Specific Macros which can be set up with some remotes (e.g. Insignia 76100), as well as all the devices which are in use. Incidentally DSMs are much more flexible than having to use phantom buttons and keymoving them to the same effect.

2.) If you highlight a device from the list under the General or Device tabs of RMIR, this gives access to that device with the 'edit' button, so it can be worked upon directly and saved separately as an 'Upgrade' or just OK'd so the edited version is automatically incorporated in the current 'image' which is loaded in RMIR.

[Pulse]

OK thanks once again...learnt something new
I didnt realize you could edit directly in RMIR, I had been using "Remotemaster" in the same directory then copying the data from the output tab of "Remotemaster" to the raw input of "RMIR", this is where the Keymove stuff wont import.

I have put a Naim Upgrade here
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=12157

I put it in the diagnose section in case there is something wrong with it

I tried to put
discrete off-->shift 0 key
discrete on-->shift 1 key

but have discovered that for some reason it doesn't like the shifted functions, as it adds keymove stuff to the clipboard data.

Incidentally DSMs are much more flexible than having to use phantom buttons and keymoving them to the same effect.

I assume Device specific macros are not possible with your 7950?

[vickyg2003]

I have put a Naim Upgrade here
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=12157

I put it in the diagnose section in case there is something wrong with it

No need to put it in the diagnosis section, there isn't an approval process here, but I will give you an atta-boy for using proper function names and producing an extensive list of functions. I moved it to the Audio Video Selector section, is that what it is?

I tried to put
discrete off-->shift 0 key
discrete on-->shift 1 key

but have discovered that for some reason it doesn't like the shifted functions, as it adds keymove stuff to the clipboard data.

When accessing shifted numbers on an unextended remote, you need to press the Set key twice before the remote recognizes that its a shifted key you want. Otherwise it assumes you are trying to send an EFC and goes into efc capturing mode.

[tranx]

Right, until Vicky mentioned the double press I had forgotten that, thinking the shifted number keys could not be used to issue commands. I have been using them just as an additional store for macros, apart from the Phantom keys, which could be keymoved to other buttons for use in one device mode only (I meant to say that, in that way and with 7950, ordinary macros can thus made to work 'like DSMs')

That's the only snag with 7950, which cannot do DSMs in the ordinary sense, in the absence of an extender (afaik none is available). This is especially a nuisance when there are relatively few physical keys and none which can really be spared for macros which don't need to be global. Insignia 67100 can do DSMs without an extender, although I believe there actually is one for that. (edit: but 7950 with keymoves of keys with a macro on them may take less memory)

[Pulse]

Ok thanks guys...

But going back to my example from before

I tried to put
discrete off-->shift 0 key
discrete on-->shift 1 key

but have discovered that for some reason it doesn't like the shifted functions, as it adds keymove stuff to the clipboard data.

If I delete below the stuff in red the "ok" button is reenabled in RMIR raw input window otherwise the "ok" button remains greyed out, does this mean I need some additioal protocol?

Upgrade Code2 = 31 0D (Amp/0269) Naim AV2 (RM v2.02 Beta 1.5w)
00 E8 04 7E E6 4A 81 04 44 04 BC B8 C8 80 A0 CC
90 78 70 74 58 68 1C 7C 64 04 08 8C
KeyMoves
AF F0 04 31 0D 45 E8«Power Off»¦
A6 F0 04 31 0D 49 48«Power On: The codes from 109 on are discrete codes»
End

No need to put it in the diagnosis section, there isn't an approval process here, but I will give you an atta-boy for using proper function names and producing an extensive list of functions. I moved it to the Audio Video Selector section, is that what it is?

Just a sound pre amp decoder and as for proper function names I have done this inadvertently, is there some scheme for doing this?

[vickyg2003]

No need to put it in the diagnosis section, there isn't an approval process here, but I will give you an atta-boy for using proper function names and producing an extensive list of functions. I moved it to the Audio Video Selector section, is that what it is?

Just a sound pre amp decoder and as for proper function names I have done this inadvertently, is there some scheme for doing this?

Read this thread about the scheme
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12103

[tranx]

But going back to my example from before

I tried to put
discrete off-->shift 0 key
discrete on-->shift 1 key

but have discovered that for some reason it doesn't like the shifted functions, as it adds keymove stuff to the clipboard data.

If I delete below the stuff in red the "ok" button is reenabled in RMIR raw input window otherwise the "ok" button remains greyed out, does this mean I need some additioal protocol?

Upgrade Code2 = 31 0D (Amp/0269) Naim AV2 (RM v2.02 Beta 1.5w)
00 E8 04 7E E6 4A 81 04 44 04 BC B8 C8 80 A0 CC
90 78 70 74 58 68 1C 7C 64 04 08 8C
KeyMoves
AF F0 04 31 0D 45 E8«Power Off»¦
A6 F0 04 31 0D 49 48«Power On: The codes from 109 on are discrete codes»
End

I gather you have 7940 or 7930 and that those models can't learn? so you have to use different methods, which are beyond my ken

Perhaps that is why I don't understand why you need to use the RAW input window if it is just to configure a shifted key: can you not edit RMIR's device layout page to configure a shifted key to carry a command?
In any case it may be somehow relevant that, if that is done, then the keymoves page of the relevant image reflects that change by automatically including that key in a greyed-out lower section...

Have only modified existing upgrades for the same makes, or those which may have suitable protocols. With one of those upgrades already installed in the remote, used it to learn commands to the equivalent device and obtain the OBC's for the keys being learned. Then used those OBCs for editing the new device which is being constructed, again using the skeleton of a plagiarised device. You seem not to have done anything like that but if you had somehow got EFC5 codes, I think they are sort-of-not-so-dependent on a particular protocol, so perhaps you could have just typed them into the device editor to derive the other particulars? but am still struggling in the deep end!

[tranx]

Ok I downloaded your Naim upgrade and opened it as a device in a 7950 RMIR image.

It looks complete and has the shifted number buttons configured as discrete power commands as you described, so would you explain further?

[Pulse]

Ok I downloaded your Naim upgrade and opened it as a device in a 7950 RMIR image.

It looks complete and has the shifted number buttons configured as discrete power commands as you described, so would you explain further?

Until recently I had always been doing an upgrade by cutting and pasting that Hex data from the output window of "Remotemaster" and using the "import raw" button in "RMIR" as I thought this was the way it was supposed to be done (I read it somewhere, cant find where now). and it always worked!

Always wondered why there were 2 pieces of software, I guess RemoteMaster slots into RMIR, but I had always regarded them as 2 seperate entities

But now I have seen the light......

You have shown me you can edit everything in the devices tab in RMIR by double clicking the device in question and adding the shifted functions in the "layout" tab. I have now added all the discrete functions which now appear in the keymoves tab, greyed out but they work. Here is my latest RMIR file where you can see the keymoves greyed which is probably related to the problem I was having. (havn't figured out how to show a screen shot image)



https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=12158

Anyway it all works now Thanks to All for the help.....hopefully my bumbling helps someone else