JP1 Remotes

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

OK, maybe there is an easy answer to this, but I can't see any logic in this, and I just gave-up...

First of all, the IR file I'm working onto is at this location:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=3423

I have made/customized three upgrades, for the following devices I own:

- DVD 1171 - for a Pioneer DVR-530H S DVD Recorder
- AUDIO 1362 - for a Denon AVR-3801 A/V Amp./Receiver
- DVD 1571 - for a Pioneer DV-575a DVD Player

I looked everywere for information and I collected everything I could to make these upgrades as close to be complete as it is possible (Is there any interest in having them uploaded???)

Unfortunately, the DVD 1171 needs a lot of keys to hold all the functions that the DVR can do, and I need a lot of keymoves to put extra functions onto the shifted keys...

Keymoves' memory is already all used up, so I've learnt 4 Shifted keys from the original remote to fill the gaps...

Everything worked fine after the learning session, and I downloaded the remote into IR and saved the remote's image for future use...

Now the fun begins...

Having uploaded again that imagefile into the remote, the 4 learnt keys don't work anymore!!!

I had to learn again the keys from the original remote to have them working again and... when I downloaded the remote again, I got 8 learnt keys instead of 4! The new learns are listed before the previously learnt keys and seem to be EXACT duplicates of them...

It goes without saying that, if I upload a new Imagefile with the 8 learnt keys, they just don't work again! Sad

Looking at them, they seem to be right, but I'm in no way an expert, and so I hope some of the experts will look at the image file and spot something wrong...

Using latest available versions of all tools here (IR is in BETA version), and manually made a change to the remote's DigitMaps as per this message:

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi Capn Trips,

Thanks for the reply...

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

...mmm!

Am I the only one with this problem??? Is any of the experts looking at this, please?

NOT a solicitation, just hope someone with better knowledge will try and understand what happens...

Thanks in advance, guys!

Joe

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

OK, I feel a bit guilty posting again in this thread to pop it up...

But, apart of Capn' Trips kind reply, I see no other follow-up to my post...

Again, this is NOT a solicitation, since I guess everybody has better things to do than reading/replying in this Forums and I really appreciate the efforts you all do withJP1.

Please, if someone with better knowledge has any idea why my learnt keys don't work when Saved/Reloaded via IR, then let me know...

If, BTW, my post is currently being ignored because it breaks any of the Forum's rules, also let me know... because I re-read it several times and I find it... well... adequate Smile

Thanks a lot, everybody... please bear with me!

Joe

The Robman · Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject:

You have to keep in mind that dispite the fact that there are over 6200 members of this forum, there's only a small handful of experts that try to help everyone. If we're all to busy to research something when we first see it, it will fall right off of our rader, so there's nothing wrong with doing the occassional bump. Alot of the time, when an expert reads a post like this, the answer is immediately obvious to us and we can post something to help. But if there isn't an obvious answer and we're too busy to spend the many hours that this sort of research usually takes, we may end up skipping the post hoping that someone else will jump in.

When I first started reading this post, I was hoping to see that the remote being used was an older remote, like the URC-7800 or 15-1994, as these have a known bug where learned signals don't work in device modes where a protocol upgrade has been used. But, even though the post doesn't explicitly state which remote is being used, the quote from the IR documentation implies that it's a URC-9960B01, which shouldn't have this problem.

The only way most experts could figure this one out is to go out and buy a URC-9960B01 remote, then load your IR file into it, and start testing, which is over and above what we expect of the experts, which may go a long way to explaining why nobody has given you a clear reason for your symptoms yet.

However, as a suggestion, rather than focusing on why these particular learned signals don't work, why don't you try replacing some of the other keymoves for other devices with learned signals to see if you can make those work instead.
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joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Rob and all,
Really, there wasn't any need to motivate the delay... stating that mine was NOT a solicitation just meant that I'm aware that there may be many good reasons for a post not being answered...

Nevertheless, with the great number of daily posts in the Forums, I also wanted to make sure mine wasn't overlooked for some reasons or, worse, it wasn't being ignored because of Forum's Rules break...

Now I know there is no obvious explanation to my problem with the learnt keys and the 9960 B01 and, of course, I don't expect people run out and buy the same remote just to test my files... actually, I wondered if any chance to spot somehing wrong by looking into my image files existed...

I'll look into the alternatives you suggested me and, of course, there is always the option to re-learn the keys each time I, for some reasons, reload the remote.

Thanks a lot again... have a good sunday!

Joe

The Robman · Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:22 am Post subject:

Here's a suggestion. Go to IR's Advanced menu and select "Enable Raw Download", which will activate a new button called "Raw Download" under the "General" tab, and "Enable Unsafe Upload", which will activate a new button called "Unsafe Upload".

Then use the "Raw Download" button to download the data from the remote after you have learned some signals, now save this IR file. Next, use the "Unsafe Upload" button to load the data back into the remote and see if the learned buttons still work. If they do, this means that we have a "good" IR file.

Next, use the regular "Download" button to download the data from the remote and save this file, then upload it to verify that the learned signals no longer work. Just for safety, download again and save this file.

You should now have 3 IR files...

1) the RAW download
2) the regular download, and
3) the safety check download

Please zip these three files together and post the zip file in the diagnosis area.
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joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

OK Rob,
I followed your advice, and the resulting files are here:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=3510

I want to add that, soon after learning the keys, RAW downloaded the remote and UNSAFE uploaded it again, the learnt keys were still functional...

However, somehow I expected to find a "Save RAW data" command of some sort somewhere but I didn't, and I saved the normal way what I had just RAW downloaded from the remote.

Then I downloaded the remote again with the standard Download command and saved the resulting file.

The NORMAL Upload command resulted again in the 6 learnt keys present in the remote, BUT NOT working...

At this point I downloaded and saved again the remote's image, as per your suggestion and zipped all the files you find at the link...

Now, I don't know if this makes sense, but I tried again to open the first image saved after the RAW download and tried to "UNSAFE" upload it again to the remote... the learnt keys DON'T work anymore Sad

So, it seems that the RAW data downloaded from the remote and HELD in IR's memory buffer is OK, while using the same image after it has gone to the disk saving/reloading process disrupts the learnt key... Sad

I just hope I did things the way you needed them to be done, Rob... now waiting for your comments on the matter... with no hurry, of course Wink

Ciao, and thanks for lookin into this quirk (IR quirk? Think so!)

Bye, Joe

The Robman · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:

Well, I'm sorry to say that those files didn't yield the answer as there's no difference between them. I tried doing some limited experiments here with a URC-9960B01 and I couldn't get the learned signals to play on the macro buttons, so I don't know what's up.

But, I do have some suggestions. Rather than using a million keymoves to shifted buttons, why don't you just create a 2nd upgrade for all the shifted buttons (for a single device mode) and then use the device multiplexor or device toggler to switch between the two device modes.

And rather than use a DVD device mode on the VCR device button, which means you have to use 3 keymoves (or learns) to fix the VPT, why not just use a VCR device mode as it only has one button less than DVD mode (which means the VPT will work and you'll just need 1 keymove to replace the missing button).
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joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi Rob...

Thanks for your comments...

ldwaard · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5

Not sure if it is related but I found that on the JP1.x remotes the button code for learned commands are different. There is a line to add to the RDF file to help with this. Not sure exactly what it does, but it worked for my.

See this post for more detail...
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6915

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Hi,
Thanks for the suggestion... I'll be trying it as soon as I can...

Please, do you have a link to the original post that refers to the 7555's RDF and the fix for the learnt keys?

I have read the post you linked for me, but there is only a note about the setting to be added to cure Learnt Keys' swap, but no explanations on what it does... (...not that I understand explanation, anyway Wink

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Thanks a lot! Joe

ldwaard · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5

joedaring · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 109

Well...

what can I say? THANK YOU!!! Smile

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This tweak to the RDF works for curing my problem with the learnt keys on the 9960 B01 too!

With the original RDF the learnt keys ended-up in the CBL device after saving/loading the IR image... now they stay put where they belong.

Thanks for suggesting to try the fix... please, whoever is taking care of the RDFs, include the new setting for the 9960 B01 in the next RDFs package...

Ciao Ciao!!!

Joe