30333033 Identifying JP1.3 Atlas PVR

[Capn Trips]

Ummm..... now please don't take this answer as a patronising one, but...

Your device upgrade is VCR/DVD 0614 while on the General Tab you have assigned to the Aux button VCR/DVD 1614.

[speaker.guy]

Thanks. That changed a lot in my experimenting. Just picked a version that they were different. But it still doesn't work when both agree!

[Capn Trips]

With my upgrade for the TV, Cable DVR, and DVD, I can't do anything that works on the AUX key.

OK, let's focus on this behaviour.
(1) Does the 0614 (or 1614) upgrade work in an otherwise empty remote? If so, then we know the problem is not the upgrade.
(2) If you re-assign the upgrades to different device keys, does the 0614 upgrade work, but the upgrade assigned to AUX does not?
(2a)Does this vary with how many upgrades you have added? (does it happen when you only have 3 device upgrades?)
(2b) Or does the non-functioning upgrade vary depending on the order in which they are listed on the device upgrade page?

Carefully examining this MAY help narrow down whether the problem is with the rdf or with the upgrade storage area.

[speaker.guy]

This upgrade doesn't seem to work at all in these remotes...
Tried other keys, still NG

[Capn Trips]

OK, now I'm trying to focus in on the symptoms, but to me the symptoms appear to be inconsistent and/or unclear

... using the factory installed device code 0864 (Sony VCR/DVD) the remote hangs with the DVD device button permanently lit.

You have not referred to this symptom in quite a while. How did you fix it?

... I can not get any (built in, modified from 8910, or file section) 0614 replaytv upgrade to work. There is no response from any button, won't take advanced codes or learn signals, hangs the remote when some buttons are pushed.

The preceding contradicts the following...

... I can key in ReplayTV 0614 device code and it works. With my upgrade for the TV, Cable DVR, and DVD, I can't do anything that works on the AUX key.

The preceding seems to indicate the problem is with upgrades assigned to the AUX key while the following indicates again that the problme is with 0614.

This upgrade doesn't seem to work at all in these remotes...
Tried other keys, still NG

Again it would be helpful to any troubleshooter if you could narrow down specifically what are the real symptoms and provide the files to demonstrate the behaviour repeatably. If the misbehaviour manifests itself differently every time, then THAT's probably important, too.

[speaker.guy]

Files provided (don't) work all the time.
Post saying built in doesn't work was earlier, tried only with my baseline upgrade installed. Only tried it in a clean remote recently.
0864 was fixed using an upgrade file from the website. I don't know why it worked when the other one didn't. Also remember the 0864 was an earlier post.
I think there is something wrong with the device upgrade. If I can get ANY 0614 device upgrade to work, that will be confirmed. That's why I was hoping Rob would try it (as he said he was going to do).

[The Robman]

I do still intend to, when I get back from vacation.

[Capn Trips]

OK, then, so the question is what is the difference between the built-in 0614 and the upgrade 0614 (or 1614), right?

I have the impression that you have several JP 1 family remotes. Is it possible for you to learn (to another remote) a few commands from the Atlas using the built-in 0614 and then learn the same corresponding commands from the Atlas using your non-functioning upgrade?

Perhaps the decodes of the learns will expose some difference in the signals being sent?

Or does your non-functioning upgrade simply emit no signals at all?

I've looked at your files and admit that I am currently baffled as the upgrade looks fine (afaik).

[Capn Trips]

As I continue to stare at this, I noticed (perhaps unrelated to the current issues, and also perhaps unique to me and to nobody else) a few anomalies - I believe they are related to the rdf.

(1) when I open S.G.'s IR file, on the "General" tab, there are TWO choices for "DVD/VCR" device type in the drop-down selection lists for upgrade type.
(2) on the "Devices" tab, any DVD/VCR device upgrade appears as a "DVD/VCR/DVD/VCR" device type.
(3) I looked at the rdf and it has the following section:

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[DeviceTypes]
Cable    = 0
TV       = 1
VCR/DVD  = 2
CD/Audio = 3
VCR/DVD  = 2,2

Could that last extra double entry of "DVD/VCR" be contributing to this problem? (or have I let my copy of the rdf become somehow different from others'?)

I tried deleting (one at a time) each of the redundant DVD/VCR entries from the rdf and I suspect that the one in the last line should be removed - but I'm not sure what cascading effect this might cause elsewhere and I can't test anything since I don't have this remote.

Edit: I just checked the current rdf.zip file in the file section and the 10251025 rdf has this double entry for VCR/DVD still.

Edit2: I did a spot-check of other rdfs, and a cursory check shows that such duplicate DVD/VCR device type exist for each Atlas 5-device rdf, whilst I have been unable to see this in any other rdf (random sample of about 10 others). Is there a good reason for these duplicate DVD/VCR device type entries in the Atlas 5-device rdfs?

[speaker.guy]

I saw that and did delete it. Didn't make any difference...
I appreciate your staying up all night on this. I have lost a few myself!

[Capn Trips]

Have you tried the learning investigation from 2 posts back?

[binky123]

Somehow you corrupted your .IR file. This Atlas 5 10251025 remote has a hidden upgrade area at F200 for cable company specific upgrades. Normally you should have CBL/1376 here. In your "Default Atlas with 0614.ir" file, you have F2 04 F2 00 00 00 at F200. Click on the RAW Data Tab and scroll down. The data here should be the 1376 device upgrade code but since you've somehow deleted the data, the correct initial data is F2 04 F2 04 00 00.

Same thing with atlasvizioreplay.ir file, F200 has FF FF FF FF FF FF. This needs to be F2 04 F2 04 00 00.

This format error probably explains why the LED stayed lit during some of your tests. This can occur when the remote gets into an endless loop and can't turn off the LED.

[Capn Trips]

Interesting. I still think there may be something up with the rdf, though.

If you take a blank IR file, and simply go to File>New and select the 10251025 rdf that F200 region is filled with FFs rather than what you describe above.

Also, is the duplicate "DVD/VCR" device type entry not a problem? It sure doesn't seem right to have a device type displayed as "DVD/VCR/DVD/VCR" on the Devices tab.

[binky123]

IR doesn't support two upgrade areas so it won't reset/initialize the second upgrade area correctly. The RDF specification also doesn't allow for two upgrade areas.

The duplicate DVD/VCR is not a problem. It happens because IR is building the list of device_types from the entries listed. The entries are listed based on the default type for that button. Some remotes list DVD on one button and VCR on another but these are the same type so IR will concatenate those two and display as device_type DVD/VCR on the drop-down lists. I was thinking of fixing it and looked into it but it may have been too complicated. I don't really remember though.

[speaker.guy]

Looking at $200 very briefly(I have to go out for an extensive Dr. appt this AM) my rdf presently has [FixedData]
$0200=$41,$50,$52,$00,$00,$00,$00 which I guess is supposed to correspond to the Scientific Atlanta box ( which Time Warner uses), not the Motorola, which I use. I will try to mess with this later, but the corruption you describe definitely wasn't my doing. I think I may have deleted it completely, and it got back in a corrupted form.
Thanks again for all the help!
Get back to you later this afternoon...