Panasonic Showstopper 1000 remote question

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:24 am

OK, been playing around a bit more with KM & IR and trying different things. Since the ReplayTV remote is my favorite of the bunch (probably just had it for so long I know where all the buttons are by feel) I'd like to see if I can do the following.

1. I looked at the JP1 forum and got the ReplayTV zip file which says it added a 3 minute skip but I can't figure out where / how it was done. I uploaded a second version of the ReplayTV remote onto the cab/sat key (just set it to OEM / code = 0001). Since I never use the number key section when watching Replay I'd like to program the 3 key to be 2 minute skip, 6 key for 1 minute skip, 9 key as 30 sec skip, 1 key as 2 minute rewind, 4 key as 1 minute rewind, and lastly 7 key as 15 sec reverse. All the other keys would work the same, and if I ever need to use the real number keys I can go back to the original by hitting the hard disk recorder button.

2. I really only use 2 keys on my Toshiba TV remote. Power on/off and the TV/Video key to get to the HD1 input (which is where the ReplayTV is).

3. On my NAD remote I only use a couple keys too. I need Power on/off, the 1 key (to select DVD), 2 key (to select Sat/ReplayTV), mute key, and vol +/-. I'd like the vol +/1 and mute keys to work in pass thru so when I'm on cable/sat (my mod'ed Replay setup) I can control the volume.

4. And lastly I have the Sony DVD player which I use power on/off, play, pause, stop and chapter skips (ie. prev & next).

So is this possible? The remote only controls 4 devices and since I'm using 2 for ReplayTV it seems like I might be 1 short. I could combine the NAD with the TV as the only shared button would be power on/off, and I could set one of them to use a different key for that function.

Anyways any help is appreciated, and once I get this working I'll post the file on the JP1 files section.

John

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:59 am

jcg wrote:I don't have the manual for the original ShowStopper remote, so I'm wondering how you program the cable, sat, vcr buttons?

You can download the ReplayTV manual from the replaytv.com web site. Appendix A tells you how to program the remote and what codes to use.

jcg wrote:How about this question. I'm taking baby steps and would just like to get the ShowStopper remote Vol+/Vol-/Mute to control my NAD receiver's volume/mute. If I go in under device on the ShowStopper it shows the vol+/vol-/mute (shows up on key # 11,12 & 13) as unmapped. There are 5 bytes of fixed data (D6 BF FB FF D6 ) that show under devices for OEM 0001. If I click on edit under devices the hex data skips over the 3 unmapped keys so I'm assuming I somehow need to change this fixed data to unmask out the 3 unmapped keys. Anyone know how to do this? I do have the hex values for the vol/mute keys from the NAD that I learned onto my 8810W.

It sounds like you're trying to re-reverse engineer how these remotes work. Why? We've already done that. Just use the JP1 tools to accomplish everything, don't try to re-invent the wheel.

To make the volume controls work your NAD, first you would need to add an upgrade for the NAD and assign it to a device button (like the CBL button, perhaps), then set VPT (volume punch through) to this device. (Note: if you use the CBL button for the upgrade, create it using the Cable device mode). You can also use keymoves to program the volume buttons.

jcg wrote:On the 8810W under the devices tab there is nothing, but the ShowStopper has 6 VCRs, 1 cable, 1 TV and the OEM code.

You can delete all of those except the OEM code, you can also delete the C9 and 1F protocols from the Protocols tab. If you chose to create your own code for Replay, using the hacked version that includes "3 minute skip" etc, you can also delete the OEM code.

jcg wrote:Since there are no devices in the 8810W how does it know how to set things up for the 0320 type code (ie. NAD)?

Because the AUDIO/0320 code is built into the ROM, along with all the other setup codes listed in the remote's manual.

jcg wrote:If I put that code into the ShowStopper on the General tab under Cbl/Sat will it setup the remote for the NAD?

Only if that code happens to be built into the Replay remote's ROM, which in this case I think it is.

jcg wrote:2. I really only use 2 keys on my Toshiba TV remote. Power on/off and the TV/Video key to get to the HD1 input (which is where the ReplayTV is).

3. On my NAD remote I only use a couple keys too. I need Power on/off, the 1 key (to select DVD), 2 key (to select Sat/ReplayTV), mute key, and vol +/-. I'd like the vol +/1 and mute keys to work in pass thru so when I'm on cable/sat (my mod'ed Replay setup) I can control the volume.

4. And lastly I have the Sony DVD player which I use power on/off, play, pause, stop and chapter skips (ie. prev & next).

So is this possible? The remote only controls 4 devices and since I'm using 2 for ReplayTV it seems like I might be 1 short. I could combine the NAD with the TV as the only shared button would be power on/off, and I could set one of them to use a different key for that function.

I may have missed it, but why are you using 2 device buttons for Replay?

To answer your other question, yes this can be done. You could either use keymoves or the device combiner, but it can be done.

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:30 pm

This is where I need more help. If I keep 2 device buttons for ReplayTV then do I need to use the device combiner? Or do I just create a new device which is a combo of the TV and NAD, and put the functions on the keys I want? Also more details on how to get the 1/2 minute skip to work would be great since it needs to be a macro (1/2 key plus quick skip key).

John

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:38 pm

First, please explain why you need to use 2 device buttons for Replay.

The "quick skip" button skips ahead 30 seconds, which is 1/2 a minute. It's not possible to skip back by just 30 seconds, the best you could do is skip back a minute and then skip forward 30 seconds.

Also, please only quote the portion of the message you are replying to.

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:33 pm

The Robman wrote:First, please explain why you need to use 2 device buttons for Replay.

Since I hardly ever use the number key section when watching Replay I'd like to program the 3 key to be 2 minute skip, 6 key for 1 minute skip, 9 key as 30 sec skip (same as the quick skip), 1 key as 2 minute rewind, 4 key as 1 minute rewind, and lastly 7 key as 15 sec reverse (same as instant replay). All the other keys would work the same, and if I ever need to use the real number keys I can go back to the original by hitting the hard disk recorder button. This is the reason I have 2 devices set for ReplayTV, but if there is another way to do this let me know.

John

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:46 pm

I'm having problems with a device upgrade. Below is what KM generated for the extensions for my NAD receiver.

Upgrade Code 0 = 17 CF (TV/1999)
5A 00 D1 20 9E C1 00 BC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
EE CE D6 5B
End

Here is the info I put into KM:

Remote = Replay Remote
Device type = TV
Setup code = 1999
Button codes = EFC
Protocol Name = NEC1
Main device = 134
Sub device = 124

I setup the functions keys with the following EFCs

num 1 = 175
num 2 = 173
vol up = 061
vol down = 060
mute = 124
power = 216

Problem is that when I upload this to the remote and hit the TV button none of the functions work. All the codes were learned with my 8810W from the original NAD remote so they are OK. I also put the IR file in the diagnosis area under ShowStopper_rev2.txt. Any help is appreciated.

John

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:23 pm

jcg wrote:Remote = Replay Remote
Device type = TV
Setup code = 1999
Button codes = EFC
Protocol Name = NEC1
Main device = 134
Sub device = 124

Are you sure about Main Device = 134 (or is it a typo)?. Both the NAD files in the Audio folder use Main Device = 135, Sub Device = 124.

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:49 pm

You could create two ReplayTV upgrades, one with the regular numeric buttons and the other with the jump buttons you described, then you could use either the Device Multiplexor or the Device Toggler to switch between them. That would mean you are just using the Replay device button for Replay, and the 3 other device buttons are free for other use.

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:52 pm

Mark Pierson wrote:Are you sure about Main Device = 134 (or is it a typo)?. Both the NAD files in the Audio folder use Main Device = 135, Sub Device = 124.

OK Thanks, that was the problem. Not sure why I put in 134 as I had 135 written down on the piece of paper. Doh!

I also got the power, video select and pic size fuctions for my TV remote to work on the VCR/DVD button, so making some progress here (and starting to like JP1 now!).

The TV main device is 64, and sub device is blank (didn't work the first time as I put in 0 for the sub device, but 0 and blank are not the same). So is there a way to combine the TV functions and the NAD funtions onto one device key? That way I can use the DVD/VCR key for my actual DVD player.

John

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:07 pm

The Robman wrote:You could create two ReplayTV upgrades, one with the regular numeric buttons and the other with the jump buttons you described, then you could use either the Device Multiplexor or the Device Toggler to switch between them. That would mean you are just using the Replay device button for Replay, and the 3 other device buttons are free for other use.

Where do I find info on the how the device multiplexor or Device Toggler works? How do I program 2 key strokes into the EFC field for the 2 minute skip function. Ie. I need the 6 key to output EFC 129, then EFC 219 (which is 2 followed by quick skip)? Thanks.

John

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:14 pm

jcg wrote:So is there a way to combine the TV functions and the NAD funtions onto one device key? That way I can use the DVD/VCR key for my actual DVD player.

I thought I mentioned this before, but maybe not. To do this you would use the Device Combiner, which is a selectable protocol in KM. Before you ask "how", read the readme.

jcg wrote:Where do I find info on the how the device multiplexor or Device Toggler works? How do I program 2 key strokes into the EFC field for the 2 minute skip function. Ie. I need the 6 key to output EFC 129, then EFC 219 (which is 2 followed by quick skip)? Thanks.

If you use the Replay file that you downloaded earlier, you will notice that there are functions such as "3 minute skip" listed in the function list, so you don't need to worry about making the remote send 2 signals in a row (because the protocol code itseld will take care of it).

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:47 pm

OK I tried using the device combiner and it's not working, so I posted the file ShowStopper_rev8 in the diagnosis area.

In KM I set up the following:

Remote = Replay Remote
Device Type = TV
Setup Code = 1990
Button Codes = EFC
Protocol Name = Device Combiner

Protocol IDs / Fixed Data Hex / # / are:

00 5A / 20 1E C1 / 0x
00 5A / 00 FD FD / 1x

The first one should be for the NAD and the second one for the TV. Under functions I put in the EFCs for the NAD and set the byte #2 column to 0, and the TV EFCs with byte #2 set to 1. I copied the upgrade code and the protocol to IR and uploaded to the remote. but it doesn't work. Is there a place where the main device and sub device info needs to be input or is this imbeded in the fixed data info? Any suggestions?

John

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:19 pm

While I'm working on getting Device Combiner to work can you tell me where to find info on the Device Multiplexor and the Device Toggler. I've been through all the readme and help files and haven't seen them mentioned. Are they specific funtions under one of the other protocols?

John

The Robman wrote:You could create two ReplayTV upgrades, one with the regular numeric buttons and the other with the jump buttons you described, then you could use either the Device Multiplexor or the Device Toggler to switch between them. That would mean you are just using the Replay device button for Replay, and the 3 other device buttons are free for other use.

Nils_Ekberg · Post by **Nils_Ekberg** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:44 pm

Both of these are documented in the Special Protocol spreadsheet that you can find in the jp1 files section under special protocols.

Use the link below my name for the jp1 files section

jcg · Post by **jcg** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:26 pm

Anyone have any ideas? Anything I can try to help figure out why it's not working? Thanks.

John

jcg wrote:OK I tried using the device combiner and it's not working, so I posted the file ShowStopper_rev8 in the diagnosis area.

In KM I set up the following:

Remote = Replay Remote
Device Type = TV
Setup Code = 1990
Button Codes = EFC
Protocol Name = Device Combiner

Protocol IDs / Fixed Data Hex / # / are:

00 5A / 20 1E C1 / 0x
00 5A / 00 FD FD / 1x

The first one should be for the NAD and the second one for the TV. Under functions I put in the EFCs for the NAD and set the byte #2 column to 0, and the TV EFCs with byte #2 set to 1. I copied the upgrade code and the protocol to IR and uploaded to the remote. but it doesn't work. Is there a place where the main device and sub device info needs to be input or is this imbeded in the fixed data info? Any suggestions?

John