JP1 Remotes

jnormandin · Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 4

Currently working with a RS 15-2116 and one of the buttons I'd like to program is the Fav/Scan button. It's on the remote, but in KM it's grayed out.

Is there a way to make this key available for programming or should I move on?

I did a search on the forums but didn't find that this question was asked previously.

asinsh · Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 66

Move on. If you look at the layout tab in KM, you will see the keys that are available for programming in a device upgrade depending on the mode. For the 2116 CBL has the most keys (which is why I program all of my upgrade codes, even TV, DVD, Audio, etc, to be on "CBL" mode rather than the more logical mode...so that I will have more available buttons to program to); but even CBL omits fav/scan.

There is nothing we can do about that limitation...it's hard wired into the remote that in a given mode the codes only tie to certain specified keys.

However, you can of course do a keymove or a macro to the fav/scan button, which should be fine for your purposes.
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gjarboni · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject:

The Robman · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject:

If you are using an extender, you can program a keymove to the FAV/SCAN button (but you still can't include it in an upgrade).

Without an extender, if you are using a hacked protocol, KM will allow you to program the FAV/SCAN button as part of your upgrade.

For non-extender, non-hacked protocol situations, you can use the fav/scan special protocol to program am EFC to the fav/scan button (with certain limitations - see the readme)
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TimH · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:47 am Post subject:

Mark Pierson · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:50 am Post subject:

asinsh · Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 66

Mark Pierson · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:19 pm Post subject:

Hopefully, this is a clearer definition of why buttons are "grayed out" in KM. Wink

For any given Remote/Device Type combination, there is a "key map" hard-coded into the remote that specifies what buttons are available to it directly. None of the JP1 tools can overcome this limitation, restriction, feature, bug, whatever-you-want-to-call-it, etc. Wink

As has been mentioned, take a look at the Layout sheet, and you can see what the default available buttons are for any given device mode. The built-in Setup Codes ONLY supply commands on those default buttons (but don't always use all of them), and cannot use buttons not defined in the key map.

KM uses a "generic" button list (originally based on the 15-1994's VCR mode) that changes with various Remote/Device Type combinations (again, check the Layout sheet). It also allows KM the ability to change remote models, but maintain most, if not all, exisiting button assignments in a sensible manner. In addition, KM shows most of the other available buttons on the remote (including phantoms that don't physically exist). These are prefixed with the "@" symbol, indicating that they're NOT part of the default key map, but can be used as key moves within the the current device upgrade. KM and IR handle all the details of setting these up for you.

Still, there are some buttons, like Fav/Scan on most remotes, that cannot be used in an upgrade or a key move.

The intention behind the key moveable buttons ("@") is to allow users the ability to specify even more buttons in a given device upgrade without having to manually setup the key moves in IR. It is simply a convenience feature.

Therefore, as all the warnings on the Buttons sheet state (in addition to the readme), Buttons on the Buttons sheet that are grayed out are NOT available for use by the current Remote/Device Type.
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