New Radio Shack remote: 15-100

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:22 pm

Done.

Update for 15-100 RDF:

[Protocols]
0000, 0002:5, 0005, 0006, 0007, 0008, 000A, 000C, 0011, 0013, 0014,
0015, 001A, 001C, 001D, 001E, 001F:8, 0021, 0022, 0027:new, 002A,
002D, 002F, 0032, 0034, 0038, 0039, 003D, 003F, 0045, 0056, 0058:2,
005A, 005C, 005D, 005E:2, 005F, 0060, 0061, 0065:2, 0067, 006A,
006E, 0073, 007E:3, 0083, 0085, 0092:3, 0093, 0098:2, 009C, 009E,
00A4, 00A9, 00AF, 00B6, 00BB, 00C4, 00C9, 00CA, 00CD:2, 00D0, 00DE,
00E2, 00E7, 00E8, 00E9, 00F2, 00F5, 00F8:3, 0103, 0109, 010C, 010F,
0111, 0114:2, 0117, 011A:2, 011B, 011E, 0125, 012A, 0162, 016C,
016D, 017E, 0182:2, 0184, 0186, 018B, 01A4, 01BA

Post by **The Robman** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:10 am

Thanks Mike.

jherrick · Post by **jherrick** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:35 pm

The Robman wrote:Make sure you're using the latest version of IR, otherwise it won't recognize the S3F80 processor.

Got it. Thanks. I had to put the latest version on the computer I am using to program the newest edition to the family.

rickspindrift · Post by **rickspindrift** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:32 pm

Hmmm, I like the looks of this remote a lot. And a very impressive mod to make it JP1-able. Does anyone know the size of the EEProm? Any idea how hard it will be to adapt the 8910/9910 extender for this guy?

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:48 pm

rickspindrift wrote:Does anyone know the size of the EEProm?

It's a JP1.3 remote, so there's no EEPROM, just the flash processor. But as for the fake EEPROM's size, it's about 5k.

rickspindrift wrote:Any idea how hard it will be to adapt the 8910/9910 extender for this guy?

Completely impossible.

rickspindrift · Post by **rickspindrift** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:13 pm

wow. Impossible isn't a phrase I'm used to seeing on this board. You guys seem to do the impossible (or near impossible, I guess) all the time. This makes me curious enough to ask - does impossible in this case mean so techically difficult you might as well start over from scratch, or is there some reason an extender can't be written for this type of remote?

I'm just getting back into JP1 again (my last venture into this forum a couple of years ago resulted in a 9910 remote so satisfying that I didn't have to modify it until a few weeks ago when my DVD crapped out) and I'm not familiar at all with JP1.x. Is there a good starting point in the forums to read up on this (new to me) variant?

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:18 pm

Well, you asked a very specific question:

rickspindrift wrote:Any idea how hard it will be to adapt the 8910/9910 extender for this guy?

to which you were provided a very specific answer:

The Robman wrote:Completely impossible.

That is NOT the answer to the more general question:

Is an extender possible for this remote?

to which the answer is:
"Likely, but there is none yet. Someone needs to develop it."

rickspindrift · Post by **rickspindrift** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:23 pm

You're quite right. I didn't ask the question I intended, which was really the last question you posed.

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:35 pm

The JP1.x remotes all use flash processors, as opposed to the traditional MCU/EEPROM combinations found in traditional remotes. Even though all of the JP1 tools have been upgraded to support these remotes now, I think it's still fair to say that total support (as in extenders, special protocols, etc) is still in it's infancy, but we're getting there.

Writing an extender for a JP1.3 remote like this Radio Shack remote shouldn't be quite as hard as writing one for a JP1.2 remote because the JP1.3 remotes use the same assembly language as traditional JP1 remotes, but everything else about them is completely different.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:29 am

The JP1.x remotes have a bright future. The traditional JP1 extenders can be adapted for JP1.x remotes, but its a LOT of effort for something that is going to be superceded by something much better. The JP1.2 extenders are simplified because they can run from where they sit, you don't have to load them into memory in parts.

jherrick · Post by **jherrick** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:17 am

Arrggh. What a huge pain, trying to get this progammed the wayI want it without an extender.
I can't WAIT for that to come out!

Post by **The Robman** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:30 am

Did you make any progress on simple JP1 hardware solutions for this remote?

jherrick · Post by **jherrick** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:50 pm

I got those cables in, and they look like they will work fine. What will need to be done now is just to include a small board with pads on my next pcb order (this week).
I will sell a kit that includes the pcb connected to the cable. That will allow the enterprising jp1-er to open the remote, solder the cable in, and glue or double-sided tape the pcb to the larger remote board.
There will probably be two kits available, one with the pogo adapter and one without. As I can't predict the sales of these kits, and the cables are a little pricey, I won't make a lot right away.

Post by **The Robman** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:56 pm

jherrick wrote:As I can't predict the sales of these kits, and the cables are a little pricey, I won't make a lot right away.

That's smart. As you have to add the cost of the kit to the cost of the remote (which is $30), it makes for an expensive remote compared to most JP1 remotes.

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:17 pm

I took a slightly different approach to the mod, though it is probably not as easy to do as yours, Jim.

I made a cut-out in the side of the battery compartment and glued 2 3-pin female connector strips to the rear cover. Wiring is similar to yours, but requires soldering at both ends.

This is what the inside of the battery compartment looks like with the connector in place.

To use the connector, you have to insert a 6-pin header with longer than normal pins.

Then, attach the JP1.x cable like this.

Note that the connector is positioned so as to allow the battery cover to close properly.