Need Technics SA-DX1040 "Digital" Code

[ElizabethD]

If I may stick my 5 cents of guesses:
EA FF is for Panasonic Combo2.
FF EA is for Panasonic Combo.
I'm not sure that EFC needed, but it would come out to 93.

I agree with Rob that it's unlikely to be all on device 0. Most likely situation will be subdevices 0, 4 and 20. That's what other DX models use.
Chances are that numbers will be on 4, volume, digital/analog on 0, SFC and similar controls on 20.
If you could learn few signals, then in addition to seeing Panasonic in IR, you're likely to see numbers under subdevice column.

[ElizabethD]

OK, so I'm half asleep, but I really don't see the files which have links in this thread

[The Robman]

Here's the current file...
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2549

It looks like he's deleting and re-adding the files, rather than replacing them, which is why all the old links don't work.

[smalis]

Sorry for any confusion, I'm still learning and blundering through. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Rob, you are correct, some of the learned signals have numbers other than 0 in the sub-device code (I've seen 20 and 18 so far). Does that mean the upgrade file has to use multiple protocols? If so, I'm not sure how to do that, as KM's Setup page only provides for one protocol. Should I use the Combo or Combo2 protocol and plug in the various sub-device values on the functions tab?

Re switching EFC and OBC in the Functions sheet, thanks for that tip, I was not aware of that. Elizabeth is right that EA FF is for Combo2, Combo comes out as FF EA, and the EFC is 093.

Thanks for all the help, I'm slowly getting there.

[Capn Trips]

If so, I'm not sure how to do that, as KM's Setup page only provides for one protocol. Should I use the Combo or Combo2 protocol and plug in the various sub-device values on the functions tab?

From KM, the Protocol Help worksheet when ANY of the Panasonic protocols is selected:

Panasonic Protocol Help:


Panasonic Combo:

This version is based on the flawed official UEI Panasonic Combo
protocol. The code was broken in many of the earlier remotes and did
not calculate correctly.

This version combines all Sub Device numbers for one Device number.

Panasonic ALWAYS uses OEM Code1=2 and OEM Code2=32. To use
this as for a JVC-48 combo, use OEM Code1=3 and OEM Code2=1.


Panasonic Combo2:

This is a hacked protocol that works much like the NEC combo, and
is an improved version of the Panasonic Combo above. It assumes
that Device1 is constant and gets Device2 from the byte2 column.


Panasonic VCR Combo:

This is the official protocol used by setup codes like VCR/1162,
VCR/0451, and TV/0250. It can only really be used to combine
Panasonic codes 144.0, 144.1 and 128.0. These are the byte2 values
and the device code that will result:

0 = 144.0
1 = 128.0
2 = 144.1
3 = 128.1


Panasonic MIX Combo:
This protocol allows you to combine up to 6 device and sub-device
codes. You could combine 5 device codes with 1 sub-device code,
1 device code with 5 sub-device codes, or any variation inbetween.
However, the sub-device codes must be listed AFTER the device codes.

Enter your device and sub-device codes in the "device code" cells on
the Setup sheet, then when you enter your function codes, in the
"byte2" column, enter a number (1 thru 5) to select a device code,
followed by a space, then another number (2 thru 6) to select a
sub-device code.

Look at your decoded signals and choose the protocol that best suits your requirements. From my reading of this thread, I believe Panasonic Combo is the one you require.

[smalis]

Understood. I re-did the upgrade with the Panasonic Combo protocol and tested it, and all works great. I replaced the prior file (rather then deleting and uploading), so the url remains the same: http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=2549

Thanks again for all the help. I hope the Digital Input function (which is not on the orginal remote!) is of use to someone.

[The Robman]

It looks like the de-railed train is back in the track! 8)

[ElizabethD]

It's probably too late to ask, but I'll try anyway, as I have few questions about this upgrade
1. Is "Speaker Select" function (160.20:190) related to the "Decibels" up and down (160.0:188 and 189) function for setting sound levels of the speakers individually?
2. Is "DVD" 160.18:142 used to get the 6-channel sound? If so, consider yourself lucky Few of the Panasonic and Technics receivers have that code.
3. Does it also select DVD input on your receiver, if so, is it the only way to select DVD?

[ElizabethD]

Panasonic Protocol Help:


Panasonic Combo:

This version is based on the flawed official UEI Panasonic Combo
protocol. The code was broken in many of the earlier remotes and did
not calculate correctly.

This version combines all Sub Device numbers for one Device number.

Panasonic ALWAYS uses OEM Code1=2 and OEM Code2=32. To use
this as for a JVC-48 combo, use OEM Code1=3 and OEM Code2=1.


Panasonic Combo2:

This is a hacked protocol that works much like the NEC combo, and
is an improved version of the Panasonic Combo above. It assumes
that Device1 is constant and gets Device2 from the byte2 column.

What would be nice in these KM instructions, is some idea about what "earlier remotes" means to a user just coming in. We/They don't know the history of things. I know I avoided Panasonic Combo in 8910, since the very sentence about it being based on "flawed" sounded discouraging. When I looked at several existing upgrades, they all used Panasonic Combo2, so did I.

Without being familiar with Devices.xls, it's not obvious, till you read one of Rob's answers, that Panasonic Combo is built into some remotes and may be correct or not correct. And if it isn't correct, KM will give you a substitute version. I know I missed all those nuances until I saw Rob use Panasonic Combo

[smalis]

Hi Elizabeth-

1. Speaker Select indeed is for selecting individual speakers and then adjusting decibels up or down for that speaker.

2. The DVD function selects DVD 6-channel input. Once that input is selected, pressing the Digital Input button switches to DVD Digital input. I don't use the 6 channel function, as I use the digital optical output of my DVD player.

3. I'm not sure I understand this question. Using the remote, the DVD button indeed is the only way to select DVD input. It defaults to 6 channel and then I have to press the Digital Input button to get DVD digital input.

Amazingly, the original remote has no button for the Digital Input function, so until I was able to get that function on my RS2116, I had to get up from my chair and press a button on the receiver to enable Digital Input (for DVD or for TV).

[ElizabethD]

Thanks a bunch

1. ok, that's what I thought

2,3,etc: Just comparing notes
- I have that DVD 6-ch function (SA-HE100), but it does not select DVD on the OEM remote.
- There's a separate button, in the devices array, to select DVD. The code is 160.000:163. It might work for you as it does for others, if you need it.
- My DVD-6 ch (160.018:142)is also NOT on the OEM remote. Neither is digital/analog.
- DVD-6ch toggles between digital 2channel and 6 channel DVD source.
- Digital/Analog (160.000:168) just toggles and then, depending which optical input is connected, it might by itself swith to 6 channel mode.
And none of this is simple to me

[smalis]

- I have that DVD 6-ch function (SA-HE100), but it does not select DVD on the OEM remote.

Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean that you placed that function on your JP1 remote, but it does not select DVD input on the receiver?

- There's a separate button, in the devices array, to select DVD. The code is 160.000:163. It might work for you as it does for others, if you need it.

You mean your OEM remote has a "DVD" button, which selects DVD input on your receiver? Mine only has the DVD 6-ch button. I'll try that code tonight and see if it makes my DX-SA1040 do anything.

- My DVD-6 ch (160.018:142)is also NOT on the OEM remote. Neither is digital/analog.

On my OEM remote, there is a button labelled "DVD 6-ch" which selects DVD 6-channel input. I think it also toggles between 2 channel and 6 channel on the 2nd and further keypresses, but I'll check that tonight. But, as above, my OEM remote, like yours, does not have a button for digital/analog.

- DVD-6ch toggles between digital 2channel and 6 channel DVD source.

See above.

- Digital/Analog (160.000:168) just toggles and then, depending which optical input is connected, it might by itself swith to 6 channel mode.

Right, same here. If I press the DVD 6 ch. button, the RCVR switches to that input. Then, If I press Digital Input, the RCVR switches to DVD digital input. If I press Digital Input again, the RCVR switches back to DVD 6-ch.

BTW, the "Speaker Select" function is labelled "Level" on my OEM remote.

[ElizabethD]

It's all nitpicking, really. Thanks for cooperating

Do you mean that you placed that function on your JP1 remote, but it does not select DVD input on the receiver?

Precisely. Actually Rob made me try that code in the remote. It's the only one, I think, from subdevice 18 for me. Works great for 6-ch.

You mean your OEM remote has a "DVD" button, which selects DVD input on your receiver?

Yes. Just as there are buttons for TV, VCR...

"Speaker Select" function is labelled "Level"

Same here, is called "Level" in most models. I suspect it's so named because it adjusts levels for all sorts of things (delay timing for instance) in addition to decibels.

I think it also toggles between 2 channel and 6 channel on the 2nd and further keypresses

I wonder how would one capture the unique code from the 2nd press of this or other similar buttons. I don't know how to use learning function for this. You never know, code might exist, but I don't understand IR's timing sections to be able to figure it out. Need experts here.

[smalis]

I wonder how would one capture the unique code from the 2nd press of this or other similar buttons. I don't know how to use learning function for this.

I don't think the code changes at all, I think the button simply toggles the input between DVD 6-ch and DVD 2-ch. If the receiver is on a non-DVD input or DVD 2-ch, it puts the RCVR into DVD 6-ch. If the RCVR is on DVD 6-ch, it toggles it to DVD 2-ch. Every ensuing keypress simply continues to toggle between the 2.