HUMAX iHD-FOX C (KabelBW - Germany)

alanrichey · Post by **alanrichey** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:51 am

Sorry, hadn't noticed we hadn't come up with a solution and we got diverted into a discussion about IRScopr.

Rob/Vicky - Did you ever figure out the details for this box ?

Post by **vickyg2003** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:29 pm

If I remember correctly, this thread was cited in another thread, where we talked about this being an XMP-4 command with all sorts of toggling going on behind the scenes.

I can't find the thread, and I have not had time to relook at the timings to make sure. But xmp-4 is such a huge protocol, that it will be too big to load into a slingbox.

weltmeister · Post by **weltmeister** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:02 am

Hello

I have also the same receiver, and what do we need to do in order to use it? Can someone post me the link where i can find the continuation of that discussion?

Thanks

Mike

bnordman · Post by **bnordman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:15 pm

Hello all,

As of last week, I have the same receiver: Humax iHD FOX C and I can't get any remote of the Slingbox to work the receiver.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bjoern

Post by **The Robman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:42 pm

I have just revisited this weird protocol and have come up with an upgrade that might work.

Here are the Slingbox files:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=10784

bnordman · Post by **bnordman** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:19 pm

The Robman wrote:I have just revisited this weird protocol and have come up with an upgrade that might work.

Here are the Slingbox files:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=10784

Hey Rob,
I just tried that out and I can't control power or channel up/down (which really are the important controls for me).
Any help I can provide?
Thanks,
Bjoern

eferz · Post by **eferz** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:28 am

bnordman wrote:I just tried that out and I can't control power or channel up/down (which really are the important controls for me). Any help I can provide?

What about the other keys? Do they work or are the ones you mentioned the only ones you're interested in?

The Robman wrote:I have just revisited this weird protocol and have come up with an upgrade that might work.

Do you think the custom protocol in your upgrade can also be used for the Samsung SMT C520? I distinctly remember there was a Protocol Decode request mentioned this was a similar if not the same protocol in this thread, "Samsung SMT C520 & Humax HD-FOX C".

bnordman · Post by **bnordman** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:07 am

eferz wrote:
bnordman wrote:I just tried that out and I can't control power or channel up/down (which really are the important controls for me). Any help I can provide?
What about the other keys? Do they work or are the ones you mentioned the only ones you're interested in?

I tried the other keys as well and they do not work. In general I am interested in all keys, but the Power & Channel Up/Down are the most important for me.

eferz · Post by **eferz** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:30 am

bnordman wrote:I tried the other keys as well and they do not work. In general I am interested in all keys, but the Power & Channel Up/Down are the most important for me.

Right, that's understandable. However, since Rob has to create a custom protocol in order to address your device, it is helpful to know whether or not the one he submitted is partially successful or not at all. Otherwise, he could have been wasting his time trying to figure out the correct function codes for those particular keys instead of redesigning the protocol. So, thank you for checking. I'm sure your feedback will assist him in helping you.

Post by **The Robman** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:37 am

The original protocol for this device is a mess, there's lots of variation in the signal, even when it's the same button being pressed, so it's really difficult to know what it's trying to do.

Back when we first looked at this, I gave up, but this second time around I came up with a guess as to what it was doing, but I obviously guessed wrong. I don't know what else to try, sorry.

bnordman · Post by **bnordman** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am

Rob,
thanks for trying. This is not a good sign at all. I don't understand why somebody would create such a complicated protocol for a remote when it really doesn't benefit anybody. it's not like this needs to be a secure device or anything like that...
Bjoern

3FG · Post by **3FG** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:17 am

Perhaps I missed some of the available data, but what I have seen consists of Widget learns from a Harmony. As Rob says, the recorded signals are varying, even in the number of learned burst pairs, for a single function.

I think the most likely explanation is that the data we have is partially wrong. I believe that a Harmony will send the same signal over and over again. But that's not what the available data shows, and it doesn't appear that the Harmony is doing any systematic variation of the signal, like e.g. alternating toggles.

I would like to see learns taken directly from the original remote. If we can't get that, I would like to see a different set of learns from a Harmony, taken with both a Widget and with a UEI remote. Some of the problem may be related to method of learning.

Earl, I think you probably have the equipment to learn from a Harmony with both a Widget and a UEI remote. Are you will to record some signals?

bnordman · Post by **bnordman** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:24 am

I have the original remote and can provide any help that I can as a newbie to all of this. Just let me know.

Post by **The Robman** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:20 am

bnordman wrote:I have the original remote and can provide any help that I can as a newbie to all of this. Just let me know.

I'm guessing that you don't have any tools that you could use to capture the signals, right? Are you really located in the US, and if so, would you be willing to loan the remote to one of us so we could capture the signals?

eferz · Post by **eferz** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:23 pm

esimony wrote:STB Model: HUMAX iHD-FOX C. The remote is from ruwido, protocol is r-map.

If the esimony is correct then the protocol is called Ruwido Multimedia Application Protocol (r-map). I had to use the Internet Way-back Machine had to be used to get the following information.

archive.org wrote:
R-Map
for uni-directional and bi-directional applications
4 or more devices at the same time / multiple players
maximum speed for ultimate playing comfort
downloadable, it can be retrofitted in your box
General:
r-map defines a various of IR transmission formats
including unidirectional and bi-directional transmission codes.
Several IR control devices can work simultaneously with one base station not causing any interference during transmission.
r-map is the most advanced IR-transmission system for applications in the field of digital terrestrial, sattelite and cable set top boxes as well as play stations.
r-map is available in unidirectional and bidirectional versions
Performance:
up to 5 key presses per second for each game remote
up to 4 game remotes sending IR-frames simultaneously

r-map bi-directional version is not limited by numbers of game remotes

time stamping 1 ms
no interference
open software structure allows downloading to already installed boxes
angle is nearly 360 ° / range up to 20m
low power consumption

3FG wrote:Earl, I think you probably have the equipment to learn from a Harmony with both a Widget and a UEI remote. Are you will to record some signals?

Yes, I am willing to do so. However, I believe that Alan Richey already has submitted a full set already using a widget, "HUMAX iHD-FOX C ict" if you believe a duplicate will help then let me know. For now, I'll see about sampling some keys onto the OARI06G.

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