JP1 Remotes

I'm gonna take advantage of the "no such thing as a stupid question in this forum" clause...

So I purchased an 8910 remote yesterday. I ordered my jp1 cable today. I downloaded IR615, the latest RDFs, and Remote Master v1.49, along with all the KM/RM files for my devices I want to control. I want to program my remote. now. Course I don't have the cable yet.

IR615 comes with "FromRob.IR" that I could use to preprogram his Slingbox, what I'm looking for is URC8910.IR so I can have mine all programmed up so when I get my cable, all I have to do is download it.

I'm sure this somewhere in the files section, I just can't seem to find it. Can someone help me?

In the file menu in IR.exe there is a "New" command. From there you can select an RDF file and it will create and empty eeprom image for the model of remote specified by that rdf file. From there you can add upgrades etc.

Do you really know the characteristics of your devices well enough to program the 8910 without decoding any learned signals?

Also, if you start from "New" rather than by downloading from your 8910, you lose anything you programed on the 8910 itself (in making it partially work before your cable arrives and/or in experimenting to find what codes your devices respond to).

I'm not saying "don't do it that way". Just understand the limits.

krismillerl wrote:IR615 comes with "FromRob.IR" that I could use to preprogram his Slingbox,

Just FYI, that file has got nothing to do with the Slingbox. That file is an old copy of the IR image from my 15-1994 remote. Mark (the author of IR) decided to include it as an example of what an IR image looks like. It's been in the IR zip files since the beginning.

krismillerl wrote:what I'm looking for is URC8910.IR so I can have mine all programmed up so when I get my cable, all I have to do is download it.

Quick terminology thing, we download "from" the remote and upload "into" the remote, so you would upload the IR file when the cable arrives rather than download it.

Also, are you aware of the fact that your URC-8910 has a modem inside? When you don't have a JP1 cable, if you have downloaded the IRtoWAV program, you can use IR to create WAV files that you can play into your remote's modem to load the upgrades. You have the option of just loading the upgrades without overlaying any other programming that you may have done (ie, macros, keymoves, etc).

Hmm... Clearly I'm misunderstanding the tool here...

Do you really know the characteristics of your devices well enough to program the 8910 without decoding any learned signals?

I thought the point of these RM/KM files was so I didn't NEED to know that information... I probably need a little clarification on this, cause it doesn't jive with what I thought I understood about this jp1 process. I thought these RM/KM files contained all the known codes available for a given device... Instead of "learning" a code and correlating a button to the learned memory location, we upload the code directly in the EEPROM (or whatever) of the device. It's all handled by the software... no "learning" required. Where did I go wrong?

Just FYI, that file has got nothing to do with the Slingbox. That file is an old copy of the IR image from my 15-1994 remote. Mark (the author of IR) decided to include it as an example of what an IR image looks like. It's been in the IR zip files since the beginning.

Heh. I was doing too many things at once and got a little confused... In fact, I still am a little confused. In RemoteMaster, there is a "Layout" tab that has a picture of a remote (that looks nothing like my 8910) along with the functions available to be bound to various buttons. I was thinking it got the remote layout from FromRob.IR, but I realize I didn't open that file from within RemoteMaster - only IR. Currently, the Slingbox with UEI JU Chip is the only remote I can open and work with in RemoteMaster. What I'm hoping to be able to do is download a file somewhere that will allow me to select a vanilla/factory URC-8910 as my remote without having to download my current remote. Then map whatever functions to whatever buttons from within RemoteMaster.

Also, are you aware of the fact that your URC-8910 has a modem inside?

No, I wasn't aware. Thanks!

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krismillerl wrote:Hmm... Clearly I'm misunderstanding the tool here...

Do you really know the characteristics of your devices well enough to program the 8910 without decoding any learned signals?

I thought the point of these RM/KM files was so I didn't NEED to know that information...

That is indeed what the KM/RM files are for, so if you have found files for all of your devices, the answer to John's question is "yes".

krismillerl wrote:Currently, the Slingbox with UEI JU Chip is the only remote I can open and work with in RemoteMaster.

That tells me that you haven't downloaded and extracted the RDF zip file. RM only knows about remotes that it can find RDF files for.

krismillerl wrote:What I'm hoping to be able to do is download a file somewhere that will allow me to select a vanilla/factory URC-8910 as my remote without having to download my current remote. Then map whatever functions to whatever buttons from within RemoteMaster.

If you download the RDFs you will be able to do that with RM.

The Robman wrote: That tells me that you haven't downloaded and extracted the RDF zip file. RM only knows about remotes that it can find RDF files for.

Now were gettin somewhere... unfortunately, I have downloaded and extracted the RDF zip file, but RemoteMaster doesn't seem to be aware of that fact.

Hmm... From within RemoteMaster, there is a Help->About menu that says it's trying to get my RDFs from desktop->jp1->RDFsForIRandRMv1.25. In that directory is an RDF directory and two files - the slingbox files. I can't figure out how to set the PATH to look in the RDF subdirectory, but presumably, all I have to do is copy my remote's out...

Thanks again for the help guys!

Another quick question that probably doesn't warrant its own thread...

Without getting too mired in the details, I understand that every function has an associated code pair that is broadcast on a button press. And I understand that most buttons can be paired with the shift key to send a different code. What I don't understand is how my manufacterer's remote (scientific atlanta 8300D HD-DVR) sends the "slow motion" command - hitting play twice in rapid succession. It almost seems to me that has to be something handled at the hardware level for that remote... the remote itself recognizes a double click and sends the corresponding code? Or is the device itself capturing two "play" commands in rapid succession and interpretting that as "Slow Motion"?

Any educated guesses?

krismillerl wrote:Or is the device itself capturing two "play" commands in rapid succession and interpretting that as "Slow Motion"?

This is the likely answer. I have a DVD player that increases FFwd and Rew speed "steps" with subsequent quick presses of the appropriate button. Too long between presses terminates the command (Play resumes).

It could be either. If a quick double press of your universal remote button has the same effect, then the logic is in the device itself, otherwise it's probably in the OEM remote. In other words, a quick double press would cause the OEM remote to send a different signal. If this is the case, you can learn that signal using a JP1 remote to see what the OBC/EFC are.

krismillerl wrote:

The Robman wrote: That tells me that you haven't downloaded and extracted the RDF zip file. RM only knows about remotes that it can find RDF files for.

Now were gettin somewhere... unfortunately, I have downloaded and extracted the RDF zip file, but RemoteMaster doesn't seem to be aware of that fact.

Hmm... From within RemoteMaster, there is a Help->About menu that says it's trying to get my RDFs from desktop->jp1->RDFsForIRandRMv1.25. In that directory is an RDF directory and two files - the slingbox files. I can't figure out how to set the PATH to look in the RDF subdirectory, but presumably, all I have to do is copy my remote's out...

Thanks again for the help guys!

I'm not sure you can set the path, but in RM's Options>remotes menu, you may have inadvertently got "preferred" selected. Change this to "All" and see if that helps.