JP1 Remotes

This old brain is about to explode – can’t seem to get some things to work that shouldn’t be as difficult as I’m making them. Not sure I can get the question phrased correctly. I think there are two.

Setup: Self built HTPC with Win7 MC; Sanoxy Vista MCE Remote Control with IR widget, this one; and, RCRP05BR JP1 with interface capable (see signature) that works.

Trying to get the Win7 MC to work with the RCRP05BR via the CBL/Sat device.

Tried code #s 1272 and 1972 from codes in instructions on CBL/SAT device and DVR device and DVD device. No joy.

Since the Sanoxy has a ORC-1100 model number on it, I thought using this upgrade would work. No joy. On any device button.
And this one. No joy. And some others .
I’m doing something wrong. Can/will someone tell me what? Thanks.

When all that didn’t work, tried learning buttons from the Sanoxy remote. That worked, but could only learn about half the buttons at one time. The Wiki says –

“Most JP1 learning remotes can only learn about 24 buttons before the memory is full, so it's probably going to take a couple of passes to capture all the buttons from the original remote. I recommend that you start off learning all the buttons that have equivalent buttons on the JP1 learning remote (eg, the numeric buttons, volume and channel buttons, etc). When you reach the memory limit, download the memory and save the file."

Now I’m hung up on not getting the saved files combined.

So help on either issue will really help. Thanks.

s

Hi Steve,
Please upload the file with the learns from you Saxony in the diagnosis section. Post a link to the file here so we can see what you need.

I think this is Steve's issue: https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewt ... 743#p105743

I've added a comment to the file to indicate this change must be made to the RCA RDF.

So Steve, stick with the first upgrade you tried (Ortek), and make the change to the RDF per the comment or the linked post. After making that change, delete the device upgrade from your RMIR session and add it back so the required protocol comes along with it.

vickyg2003 & mdavej, have noted your responses. Thank you so much. Please give me some time to work through them so that justice is done to them. No offense vickyg, but will try mdave's first. However, do want to learn how to up load files to the diagnosis section. Have some commitments tonight, so will not get back to you until tomorrow. Thanks again.

s

mdavej & Vickyg2003,
THANK YOU!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!

mdavej’s thoughts on the issue were right on the $$$$$$s. It worked first time and there is joy in WY. If I hadn’t been so dense about how to edit an RDF , it wouldn’t have taken very long at all. Never thought to look for a button right on the opening window of RM-IR. Sometimes thinking too much can be a bad thing.

Regardless, rolling now. Will try to build a couple of macros – one to get to/handle closed captions in WMC and one to get to Media Browser in WMC (sort of like a LiveTV button on the Sanoxy remote. Might even try to put a pseudo mouse pad on the RCRP05BR or at least a “restore down” button.

Those projects should keep me busy and out of your hair for a while. Unless the density factor creeps in.

Thanks again, so much, for the help.

s

Glad it worked out.

I think my caption toggle in WMC is Left, Left, OK, Exit, or something like that.

To pick a certain item in WMC is hard because there's never a consistent starting point. You may have to live with picking Media Browser manually.

To use the Sanoxy mouse pad, you need to add this upgrade:
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=11382
You may want to move all the directions to the num keys in order to get the diagonals.

mdavej,
Thanks for the start on the caption thing. Have read some posts about not knowing where you're at or what state you're in when trying to do some moving around in WMC or toggling some buttons. Not sure where I'll end up with all that.

Actually, that link is what got me thinking about the mouse pad.

You folks have done a lot of work with these remotes. Thanks again.

s

steve265 wrote:Those projects should keep me busy for a while.

I have had a long-standing problem using a Microsoft RC6 remote control with my HTPC, so I thought that I would try the Hama version of the Ortek/Adesso/Gmyle/Sanoxy remote control. It does solve the RC6 problem that I have, but it introduces several other problems, one of which is (for me) a show-stopper. Before you spend too much time programming the Ortek protocol on your remote, I thought that I would mention these problems, so that you can decide for yourself whether they matter to you.

(1) In the Ortek protocol, the "Info" button sends a right mouse click, whereas it should be sending CTRL-D. You will notice this in the "Video" folder of Media Center if you want to look at the programme information for a recording. (For me, this is a show-stopper.)

(2) Microsoft RC6 remote controls assign the PLAY function to the "Play" button, and the PAUSE function to the "Pause" button. This means that when playing a recording, you can press the "Play" button to see how much of the recording remains to be viewed, without interrupting playback. In contrast, the Ortek protocol defines both the "Play" and "Pause" buttons to be a PLAY/PAUSE toggle. If you press the "Play" button to see how much of the recording remains, it will pause the playback. (This difference is irritating for me, but I could probably live with it if a solution existed for defect (1) above.)

(3) Microsoft RC6 remotes will start Media Center when you press the "Start MCE " button (sometimes called the "Green Button"). But RC6 remotes will also start MC if you press the "Live TV", "Recorded TV", "Video", or "EPG" buttons (possibly several others too). In contrast, the Ortek protocol will start MCE only by using the "Start MCE" button. (This difference is of no importance for me.)

-- from CyberSimian in the UK

Item 2 is also a show stopper, literally, since it stops playback. But seriously, thanks for posting. I'd never noticed these before. If I could find an RC6 dongle as small as the Ortek, I'd probably switch to get the uninterrupted time display from Play. The others don't bother me. OK works just as well as Info in the Video folder.

mdavej wrote:OK works just as well as Info in the Video folder.

If you are in the "Recorded TV" folder, pressing the "OK" button displays the programme information, and then a second press of "OK" will start or resume playback.

If you are in the "Video" folder, pressing the "OK" button starts playback immediately -- you do not get an opportunity to see the programme information. To see the programme info, you need to press "Info" first, followed by "OK".

Whether you want to see the programme info depends on what you store in the "Video" folder. I store recorded TV in the "Video" folder (moved from the "Recorded TV" folder), so the recordings do have programme info to view. If you use the "Video" folder to store DVD rips or family videos from a video camera, there probably is no programme info to view (so using the "OK" button is appropriate in that case).

-- from CyberSimian in the UK

CyberSimian wrote: ...Before you spend too much time programming the Ortek protocol on your remote, I thought that I would mention these problems, so that you can decide for yourself whether they matter to you. ...

Thanks for the heads up. Right now, I'm about as much of a novice at Win7 MC as I am about JP1 remotes. Presently, WMC only gets used for Live TV and viewing recordings via Media Browser. Right now I'm just trying to get set up on one remote and am enjoying the learning experience, so I'll probably stick with ORtek protocol for a bit.

Thanks again.

s

mdavej wrote: ...To use the Sanoxy mouse pad, you need to add this upgrade:
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=11382
You may want to move all the directions to the num keys in order to get the diagonals.

Does this mean I would have to combine this upgrade with the one I'm using now? If so, does that mean I have to learn to use Device Combiner?

s

steve265 wrote:

mdavej wrote: ...To use the Sanoxy mouse pad, you need to add this upgrade:
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=11382
You may want to move all the directions to the num keys in order to get the diagonals.

Does this mean I would have to combine this upgrade with the one I'm using now? If so, does that mean I have to learn to use Device Combiner?

s

You could do that if you wanted. But I don't think it's a good fit in this case. I personally don't combine them since I use the mouse only occasionally, and switching devices is no problem. The device multiplexer would be a better fit, assuming you use an extender. But it will still work fine without it. Worst case you could just use keymoves.

The device combiner is a relic. It was a big deal in the early jp1 remotes before we had these flash remotes with 5 digit efcs , huge amounts of keymove and macro space and so many combo upgrades. It is still useful occasionally, but more for the old jp1 remotes than the modern flash remotes.

mdavej wrote:...So Steve, stick with the first upgrade you tried (Ortek), and make the change to the RDF per the comment or the linked post. After making that change, delete the device upgrade from your RMIR session and add it back so the required protocol comes along with it.

And,

mdavej wrote:...To use the Sanoxy mouse pad, you need to add this upgrade:
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=11382...

So, I’ve got the Ortek upgrade working great – all the buttons I need/want. And, I’ve got the mouse pad upgrade added into the Ortek upgrade, but they do not work.

I think it might be because the mouse pad upgrade has a conflict with the first fix, changing the protocol in the RDF from “01ED” to "01ED:uei". Not at all sure where to go from here. Sure would like to have the simple mouse pad keys available.

Anyone got any ideas? Thanks.

s