Panasonic SA-HE100 and Panasonic Combo2 (with 15-1995)

Post by **ElizabethD** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:14 am

The experts here answered a lot of your queries which is good, because I still have lots of holes in my understanding and do some things by trial and error and brute force. I think a learning remote is the best thing you can do.
I’ll stick my 5 cents on two points - and hope somebody will correct if my explanatons isn't good -
1. Process: when you take info from KM to IR, make sure to copy all 3 sections from the Setup sheet (upgrade, protocol and keymoves), also check the right side in general tab of IR to make sure your intentions are met. For instance, push all volume related things to the receiver (VPT entries). I’m a bit fuzzy on those groups of keys, but that;s just one hint.
2. Keymoves: no, not from RDFs. Normally, you build them in KM. But initially, to learn what it means, build one in the remote, following the remote’s manual. Then, download to IR and see what it says in bound device, bound key, etc and that will synchronize the vocabulary such as "from device" or source and "to destination" used by the remote .
When you use KM: in column B select which equipment you want a function listed in column A to apply to, and in column D select which key will do the job. Excel calculates all the rest. You can check against what IR said if setup is OK. In the file I gave you, the idea is to push M3 key to synchronize receiver input select to the remote’s currently selected device whatever that may be at the time.

tbsmith · Post by **tbsmith** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:22 am

Since I wasn't getting anywhere with Elizabeth's file, or the SA-HE100 file, just for grins, I tried the SA-HE200 file and it worked fine! So I don't know what the problem was. I deleted the buttons to get the memory below 50, just like I did with the others, so I don't know what made it work. I will see if I can go back now and look for differences between the two files.

I am suspecting it has to do with some key moves Elizabeth used for her remote but those keys (M3) don't exist on mine. At least that's my uninformed theory. The only other difference I noted, is that when loading SA-HE200, a pop-up prompted me to assign a device key, whereas the others didn't.

so what led you to conclude that 0 was correct?

Well, I looked at the statement "set byte2=subdevice" and not knowing any differently, assumed this was a variable in an equation and I therefore substituted the value of subdevice, which is 0 (from the setup sheet)! I won't do that again....thanks for clarifiying it.

By the way, the memory limit on the P8/740 apparently only applies the the Device Upgrade, not the protocol, since combined they were over 50 bytes and it still worked. Oops - I just reread d p gumby's post, so you guys already knew that.

Good idea about moving some keys on the remote and then downloading it to see how it works. How simple!

Well, it seems I'm off and running for now, thanks to all of you!! I really appreciate the support, especially considering how much you guys get paid

Tom

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:05 am

tbsmith wrote:I am suspecting it has to do with some key moves Elizabeth used for her remote but those keys (M3) don't exist on mine. At least that's my uninformed theory. The only other difference I noted, is that when loading SA-HE200, a pop-up prompted me to assign a device key, whereas the others didn't.

As I mentioned in my previous post, IR will not normally automatically assign a device button to the upgrade. The exception to this is when the upgrade includes key moves (as is the case with the HE-200 file). Even then, it prompts you to assign it only so that it can properly create the key moves. In cases where the upgrade does not contain key moves, you must assign the device button youself, and I think this is the problem you were having with Elizabeth's file.

ElizabethD wrote:... when you take info from KM to IR, make sure to copy all 3 sections from the Setup sheet (upgrade, protocol and keymoves)...

Just to clarify this a little bit, you need only copy the protocol section when KM shows a protocol upgrade; otherwise it is not necessary to copy it.

tbsmith · Post by **tbsmith** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:10 pm

Thanks, Mike. If that's all it is, even I should be able to fix it.

Tom

Post by **The Robman** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:05 pm

I'm trying to figure out what's going on here, but I can't find this file for the HE75 that's supposedly in the HT folder, could someone provide a link to it please.

Also, the upgrade that works, is it using the Device Combiner or Panasonic Combo2?

Post by **The Robman** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:49 pm

Assuming the other HE100 file in the Audio folder is the same as the missing HE75 file, I have compiled a spreadsheet that lists what functions are present in all 3 upgrade files. However, I suspect that all 3 devices will respond to most of functions.

Here's the file: Panasonic-SA-HExxx-codes.xls

Post by **ElizabethD** » Mon May 03, 2004 8:05 am

Thanks, Rob.
Yahoo groups is down. I think I have the original file, will upload when can get in.
That is a very useful composite! since coding this receiver for a beginner like me is really tough sledding. Composite triggers some questions:
1. How come SA-HE100 functions such as power, test, level have slightly different codes within the same receiver. Different OEM remotes?
2. One of the SA-HE100 files on yahoo has odd functions on it and they got dragged into your composite. I do not see such functions (keys) on my ("universal") remote which came with the Receiver. Examples:s.st, s.srnd, center up and down, side up and down, bunch of others. I can't figure out what that's about or how to use it. Functions s.st and s.srnd might mean stereo and surround - but there is no buttons for it, these are just selected from the scrolling values when Sound Mode or SFC is pushed.
3. Can't answer the question about device combiner. Don't yet understand the process. HE75 and my file use combo2.
4. Discrete on and off dont work on HE100 or we haven't yet used it properly.

Post by **ElizabethD** » Mon May 03, 2004 9:05 am

Rob,
I posted Panasonic-SA-HE75.txt file. This might well be the original file, since is dated in February and is not for my 8910 remote, so I don't think I messed with it. What the file name was at the time I lifted it from yahoo, I can't tell.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/files ... A-HE75.txt

Thanks for changing my filename from Pan to Panasonic. BTW there is one SA-HE100 function missing, Tv/Video in both files. It works in any device mode from the OEM remote. Code is OBC=5, SubDevice=0. Not sure if to include it or how to use it, since I can't seem to be able to push it to the RCVR mode TV/Vid button on my 8910 remote. It works great from L1 in RCVR mode. If I push the KM file to yahoo with Tv/Video function in it, your composite should indicate it too. What's your wish?

Post by **The Robman** » Mon May 03, 2004 11:09 am

ElizabethD wrote:Composite triggers some questions:
1. How come SA-HE100 functions such as power, test, level have slightly different codes within the same receiver. Different OEM remotes?

You'd have to ask the guys at Panasonic, I have no idea.

ElizabethD wrote:2. One of the SA-HE100 files on yahoo has odd functions on it and they got dragged into your composite. I do not see such functions (keys) on my ("universal") remote which came with the Receiver. Examples:s.st, s.srnd, center up and down, side up and down, bunch of others. I can't figure out what that's about or how to use it. Functions s.st and s.srnd might mean stereo and surround - but there is no buttons for it, these are just selected from the scrolling values when Sound Mode or SFC is pushed.

I just reported what I found in the various KM files, you'd have to ask lovinghdtv what those names mean. I assume that either he has buttons for them on his original remote, or he discovered the codes by scanning EFCs.

ElizabethD wrote:3. Can't answer the question about device combiner. Don't yet understand the process. HE75 and my file use combo2.

The original HE200 file used the Device Combiner, I created the second HE200 file by cloning that file and replacing the device combiner with the Panasonic Combo2 protocol.

ElizabethD wrote:4. Discrete on and off dont work on HE100 or we haven't yet used it properly.

My guess is they were added for the HE200, which probably also explains why the POWER OBC changed.

ElizabethD wrote:BTW there is one SA-HE100 function missing, Tv/Video in both files. It works in any device mode from the OEM remote. Code is OBC=5, SubDevice=0. Not sure if to include it or how to use it, since I can't seem to be able to push it to the RCVR mode TV/Vid button on my 8910 remote. It works great from L1 in RCVR mode. If I push the KM file to yahoo with Tv/Video function in it, your composite should indicate it too. What's your wish?

What kind of problem are you having programming it to the TV/VCR button on the URC-8910? Also, what does this button do on a stereo receiver?

Post by **ElizabethD** » Mon May 03, 2004 11:49 am

The Robman wrote:What kind of problem are you having programming it to the TV/VCR button on the URC-8910? Also, what does this button do on a stereo receiver?

Don't recall whether receiver box itself has a tv/video button to push, I can check after work. Panasonic remote does. In any mode (tv, dvd,vcr) that button will switch 4 tv input selects - it's a scrolling button. I did have to setup the receiver's remote for my TV, perhaps this is why I can't make it work in 8910 in RCVR mode?

8910 TV/Vid, in TV mode only, switches 4 inputs nicely (video 1=tv, video2=composite, video 3=vcr1, video 4=vcr2).

I wanted to do what the original remote does - switch it in RCVR mode (more convenient). That works when I code remote's tv/video onto 8910 learning key. Does not work from KM/IR upgrade on tv/vid 8910 button. Does this explain it better?

In any case, I posted my IR file into diagnosis area on yahoo - there you will see how it looks on L1 ($5f) vs RCVR($5f $FF). OBC=5. Can you explain what I am seeing?

File is: ir[egd].txt

Post by **ElizabethD** » Mon May 03, 2004 12:05 pm

There is no Video switching knob on the receiver.
I solved the problem by several keymoves in IR. I think it made no sense trying to do it in Keymaster.

Post by **The Robman** » Mon May 03, 2004 12:28 pm

ElizabethD wrote:Quote (I haven't figured out yet how to quote you):

That would be what the

button is for!

I edited your post for you, and I also converted your file name into a link.

tbsmith · Post by **tbsmith** » Wed May 05, 2004 3:43 pm

Elizabeth, Did you ever figure out how to duplicate the function of the rotary knob on the receiver? In the SA-HE200 file, you have to press either rew, play, ff, etc. to change inputs to the receiver. It would be nice if there were just one button that could do that (i.e. each press scrolls the inputs). BTW, the TV/Video button on my Panasonic remote doesn’t work like yours...in order to change inputs, you have to press the row of buttons on the top that are labeled TV, VCR, etc.

Tom

PS -I’m still not sure why your file didn’t work for me, but I’m slowly learning and hope to figure it out soon.

Post by **The Robman** » Wed May 05, 2004 4:32 pm

Btw, I spoke to Dave Peart (aka "lovinghdtv"), the guy who created the original HE100 file, and he said that "s.st" puts the receiver into "stereo" decode mode and "s.srnd" will put the receiver into surround sound decode mode. He found these by trying out EFCs, he doesn't have buttons for these functions on his remote.

So, give them a whirl and see if they do anything with your HE200 units.

Post by **ElizabethD** » Thu May 06, 2004 9:37 am

Tom,
I wonder if you and I with these loooong messages took down the database for two days ...

Re: rotary knob - can you do keymoves in your remote?
If no, I dunno, skip to next issue. If yes,
Reread earlier parts of this long chain - about M3 key.
See my HE100 upgrade file at yahoo you already got.
Load it without changing the remote to yours.
Comments about input selects are on the Setup sheet.
Look also on the KeyMoves worksheet.
To build keymoves using KM, just select items from the popup list in three columns (A:C).
What you select in col.A is equivalent to the rotary key for receiver's input selection.
That's equivalent to the 8910 (also I guess 15-1995) remote's devices.
You can also see how it looks in IR.
Rob made a link to a file ir[egd] in the Diagnosis area.
I no longer need it for diagnosis, but these key moves are there.
All you have to do is monkey-see-monkey-do, just stick some other key than M3 with this job since I gather you don't have M3.
Limitation: requires 2 key presses on the remote - select device, then push M3 (One of these days I'll try to make it all on one, no idea how).
Advantage: it's a solution to exactly what I and, apparently you, too, don't like - you're saving a heap of buttons for this input scroll job.
I don't know if this is the best solution in the world. I think it's wonderful, works for me and I didn't even have to invent it!

Re: TV/Video button. We're not talking the same language. Receiver remote has the DEVICE buttons up top, like you said - that's for changing "active device". They become "functions" for 8910 in keymaster.
The receiver remote also has the Tv/Video button. The purpose of this one is to switch my TV's 4 video inputs (Tv tuner, composite, video1 and 2). That works if, and only if, you setup this goofy little remote with the TV setup code for your own TV and if you select device TV on that remote (no I'm not a lawyer even though this is beginning to sound like a contract!)
When I posted my questions, I wasn't coding the 8910's Tv/Vid button correctly because I tried to grab it from the receiver's remote. What I finally did was to grab that function off the TV's set of keys.
So I used keymoves again, and at this point this button is a scroller through the TV's inputs in DVD or TV or VCR mode. If you can do keymoves, try to do one on the remote first.