JP1 Remotes

klflote · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

1. Device: Pioneer PDP 5016HD (not 5080HD as originally stated)
2. Type of device: TV
3. Year: 2007
4. JP1/UEI Remote model: URC9960-B01 Kameleon 4K
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? Yes
6. Still have original remote? Yes
7. Checked the file section? Yes (see below)
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? Yes, none found
9. Partially working setup code?
10. Learning remote question? Yes

I have learned several signals from the original remote into the URC remote, and that works fine. If I download them into IR (version 2.34), the data for the learned signals isn't necessarily populated correctly (e.g., the sub-device for the Power key is empty). Also, if I then upload them back to the remote (having made no changes in IR), the learned keys no longer function.

I have tried the PDP 4214 HD upgrades from the files section, and none of them work. [Admittedly, they confused me: the one ending in TV.txt doesn't load into RM at all; of the others, some have protocol upgrades and some don't, but I couldn't get any to work.] I have also tried the generic Pioneer plasma device upgrade.

The protocol upgrades in the 4214 lead me to believe that somehow the 5080HD remote should have similar protocol changes that somehow aren't being captured, but that's just a guess from my uninformed perspective.

The IR file of the captured commands is at
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5008

Mark Pierson

klflote · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

Hmmm, sorry about that...I must have saved it after re-uploading from the remote.

I went and learned just two signals and saved them here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5008

This has the same behavior I described previously: the keys work on learning, the protocol device doesn't look like it decoded correctly, and if I reload the remote with the uploaded data (without changing anything in IR), the learned keys no longer work.

However, I'm no longer certain this applies only to this device. Subsequently, I've tried to program my DVD player (Philips DVP642) and had the same issue: none of the existing upgrade files seem to work, and signals that I learn are lost when stored back into the remote.

It's certainly conceivable that I've completely messed up the remote; at one point yesterday I was getting checksum errors. Following some information in other posts, I managed to clear that, but it seems a little odd still (like the reset screen after uploading or downloading now displays for quite a long time).

On the other hand, there's not a general problem with the remote: I can take the IR file I saved when I started programming and add device upgrades for my receiver, PVR, and AC unit without problems. I can also learn signals correctly and create upgrades from them, as I created the upgrade for the AC unit via learned keys after I stopped working on the PDP5080 issue.

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

They decode just fine for me. Both are NEC1 Protocol, Device 170.
Power = OBC 28
Input = OBC 19

Are you sure you have the latest DecodeIR.dll downloaded and in a location where IR knows where to find it? (same directory as IR.exe, or in the root directory or the Windows system directory?)
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TVs: LG 65" Smart LED TV; Samsung QN850BF Series - 8K UHD Neo QLED LCD TV
RCVR: Onkyo TX-SR875; Integra DTR 40.3
DVD/VCR: Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A3 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
Laserdisc: Pioneer CLD-D704.
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tape deck: Pioneer CT 1380WR (double cassette deck)
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jimdunn · Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 544 Location: NSW, Australia

klflote · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

Mark Pierson · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

The Pioneer Protocol Help in KM says:

johnsfine · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject:

I didn't remember seeing Pioneer use NEC1 rather than their own protocol. But those learned signals are NEC1.

When you set up the upgrade for this in RM, you must leave the subdevice field blank.

The upgrade really ought to work. The learned signals are perfect NEC1. If they operate the device then an NEC1 upgrade should also.

klflote · Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 21

Just to make sure I haven't done something wrong, I've uploaded the sample device upgrade (with just the two functions) and the resulting IR file I downloaded to the remote at
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5012

Did I miss something in this upgrade? Or if it's okay, and it's not a protocol decoding issue, why would this not work?

jimdunn · Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 544 Location: NSW, Australia

I can't see anything wrong with either your RM or your IR file.

So I loaded your upgrade into one of my remotes, and learnt it into another learning remote:

edited to add: I used a 7562 here - (don't own a 9960 of any flavour)

Here's your learnt signal: (for OBC 28 - Power)

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

OK,

There appears to be something unusual going on with this remote. I don't have a B01 variant of the 9960, so I have never used its RDF, but the upgrade in RM and the upgrade in IR do not match. Specifically -

in RM, the fixed data are:
00 AA AA

whilst in IR the fixed data are:
00

Also, in RM the functions populate the functions field as 1-byte hex commands while in IR's device upgrade window, they display as 2-byte commands that don't match.

in RM:
Power=C7
Input=37

in IR:
Power=AA AA
Input=C7 37

So the AA AA that should be fixed data, has become the first assigned function, and the next two bytes have been merged into a single function. That's not right.

Need expert help on this one.
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TVs: LG 65" Smart LED TV; Samsung QN850BF Series - 8K UHD Neo QLED LCD TV
RCVR: Onkyo TX-SR875; Integra DTR 40.3
DVD/VCR: Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A3 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
Laserdisc: Pioneer CLD-D704.
Amazon Firestick
tape deck: Pioneer CT 1380WR (double cassette deck)
(But I still have to get up for my beer)

jimdunn · Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 544 Location: NSW, Australia

Ignore my earlier post about your learned signal

What the Cap'n has spotted seems to be the real problem - I didn't look at the IR file hard enough to see that Embarassed

The behaviour the Cap'n describes also happens here if I create a virgin RM upgrade for 9960 B01 (NEC1:170) and apply it to a "new" IR 9960 B01 file - ie, the fixed data and Button codes get mangled in the same way, so it's not because the upgrade was created wrong.

Gator · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 18 Location: Oslo, Norway

I discovered that if you just add one of the numbers button, the power and input will show up as just one byte command in IR.