JP1 Remotes

1. Device: TVISTO
2. Type of device: Multimedia Center (external hard drive enclosure for putting all videos and music on one convenient device, and then plugging into television for playback)
3. Year: 2006?
4. UEI Remote model: URC-9910, Replay 5000 remote
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? yes
6. Still have original remote? yes
7. Checked the file section? (no files there)
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? (no files there)
9. Partially working setup code? no
10. Learning remote question? ...

I am trying to use my ReplayTV 5000 remote for TVISTO. My URC9910 is unable to learn keys from TVISTO remote. Please help!!!!

I suggest you go to the Code Search Forum and use the mandatory template there. It will save many quetions.

Also, what does "is unable to learn" mean?
(1) 9910 times out and doesn't learn anything?
(2) 9910 learns something that doesn't work?

Have you ensured that you have fresh batteries in both the OEM and 9910 remotes?
Is your learning technique proper?
(a) Both remotes laying flat on a yable facing each other at about 2-4 inches apart?
(b) press the 9910 button TO which you are learning BEFORE pressing the OEM button FROM which you are learning?
(c) HOLD the OEM button untiil the 9910 LCD indicates "SUCCESS"?

Capn Trips, thanks for your reply! I actually have already built my two remotes with extenders from all of my remotes in the house. But I was not able to learn signals from TVISTO remote. It is possible that 9910 does not have protocol or correct frequency for TVISTO remote. 9910 learns some thing, but not EFC or OBC codes. 8)

So, you state that the 9910 actually learns something. Is it able to control the TVISTO using those learned signals?

The problem appears to be that IR doesn't give you information about the learned signals that would help you build a device upgrade for the TVISTO.

Upload your .IR file with the learned signals to the Diagnosis Area, then come back here and post a link to it. That way someone can look at the details of the learned signal and may be able to make sense of it.

Thank you Greg. I will upload my 9910.ir image with learned TVISTO codes tonight.

--Mike.

Oop's, 9910 is not able to control the TVISTO using those learned signals.
I learned TVISTO remote with SONY RM-AV3000. AV3000 is able to reproduce signal, but unfortunately we cannot read signals from it.

So we have established that the 9910 learns "something", but that whatever it learns does not control the TVISTO.

It would STILL be useful to an expert to see what exactly the 9910 IS learning to try to start identifying what the signal might be.

Can the 9910 learn the LEARNED signals from the Sony remote?

...and oh by the way, is this about right?:
1. Device: TVISTO
2. Type of device: Multimedia Center (external hard drive enclosure for putting all videos and music on one convenient device, and then plugging into television for playback)
3. Year: 2006?
4. UEI Remote model: 9910
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? yes
6. Still have original remote? yes
7. Checked the file section? ??? (but probably no files there)
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? ??? (likely as above)
9. Partially working setup code? no
10. Learning remote question? 9910 seemingly learns some signals but they do not operate the device. Sony RM-AV3000 learns and accurately reproduces the signals.

I have learned TVISTO remote with 9910. Please review attached file:
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=3713

MajorWoody wrote:I have learned TVISTO remote with 9910. Please review attached file:
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=3713

Do the learned signals actually work?

And please verify that the template answers that the Capn provided are correct (as he was kind enough to supply them for you, as you didn't).

Rob,
Learned signals do not work from 9910 remote.

Template:

1. Device: TVISTO = OK
2. Type of device: Multimedia Center (external hard drive enclosure for putting all videos and music on one convenient device, and then plugging into television for playback) = OK
3. Year: 2006 = yes
4. UEI Remote model: 9910 = OK
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? yes = OK(USB)
6. Still have original remote? yes = OK
7. Checked the file section? ??? (but probably no files there) = OK
No files for TVISTO remote.

8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? ??? (likely as above)
I checked RemoteCentral, no files R/C or CCF files for TVISTO

9. Partially working setup code? no = OK
But, Power Lamp blinks on TVISTO, detecting transmission from 9910. No action from TVISTO!

10. Learning remote question? 9910 seemingly learns some signals but they do not operate the device. Sony RM-AV3000 learns and accurately reproduces the signals. = OK

Do NONE of the learned signals work? Interestingly, of your learned signals, Up, Down, Right, Vol+ and Vol- appear to be legitimate learns. Do any of those work?

If you go to IR's Advanced Tab and select "Force Learned Timings", you will notice that MOST of the learns are IDENTICAL, terminating in a repeating [+576 -1662] except for those handful I annotate above. If you look at the timing data, you will see that even for those learns that appear to decode properly, the first line and a half is the same for each one, leading me to suspect that you may not be learning the other buttons properly.

I'm not smart enough (hopefully one of the experts is) to identify if you are either not holding the SENDING button long enough, or if the signals are just too long and the 9910 learning times out before the signals gets to any variation after the series of repeating [+576 -1662] pairs that seems to come after the tenth on/off pair, but I would again suggest that you ensure:

... you have fresh batteries in both the OEM and 9910 remotes?
Is your learning technique proper?
(a) Both remotes laying flat on a yable facing each other at about 2-4 inches apart?
(b) press the 9910 button TO which you are learning BEFORE pressing the OEM button FROM which you are learning?
(c) HOLD the OEM button untiil the 9910 LCD indicates "SUCCESS"?

Also, if none of that helps you get proper learns on the 9910 from the OEM remote, I again suggest attempting learning from the Sony to the 9910, to see if something in the learned signals changes.

That is a very strange set of learned signals.

Maybe bad batteries in the original remote could cause that. But it isn't the symptom I'd expect.

Jerking the remote as you press the button would cause that. But the failures are SO consistent. You'd need to jerk the remote almost identically each time.

If the OBC numbers of all the failed learns are very high and there is a firmware flaw (that some other brand learning remotes have) in handling the repeat pattern for NEC device 0 with high OBC, that would fit exactly. But I think someone would have reported before if a 9910 had that flaw, and the signals that learned right have low OBC numbers, so I think most of the signals will have low OBC numbers.

So, no decent explanation for those bad learns.

Capn Trips wrote:Do NONE of the learned signals work? Interestingly, of your learned signals, Up, Down, Right, Vol+ and Vol- appear to be legitimate learns. Do any of those work?

Those ARE learned correctly. they SHOULD work.
The ones that learned incorrectly are also NEC protocol, device 0. They just didn't learn well enough to be decoded or used.

Capn Trips wrote:(hopefully one of the experts is) to identify if you are either not holding the SENDING button long enough, or if the signals are just too long

No to both of those theories. But as I said above, I don't have a very good theory myself.

Capn Trips wrote: Is your learning technique proper?
(a) Both remotes laying flat on a yable facing each other at about 2-4 inches apart?

Failing to do that may fit these symptoms.

Capn Trips wrote: (b) press the 9910 button TO which you are learning BEFORE pressing the OEM button FROM which you are learning?

It's NEC2 protocol, so getting that wrong would have very minor consequences and not at all like these symptoms.

Capn Trips wrote: (c) HOLD the OEM button untiil the 9910 LCD indicates "SUCCESS"?

Might help.

Capn Trips wrote: Also, if none of that helps you get proper learns on the 9910 from the OEM remote, I again suggest attempting learning from the Sony to the 9910, to see if something in the learned signals changes.

That is also a good idea.

You could also build a few NEC2 upgrades with device 0 and try all the OBC numbers (0 to 255) and see what each does.

Good thoughts, Capn. I tried to learn from the Sony to the 9910, and SONY AV-RM3000 reproduces signal identical to TVISTO remote. And you are correct some NEC2 keys (arrow keys) work, but majority of learned keys do not work.

Capn, I have fresh batteries in 9910 and tvisto remote.

---Is your learning technique proper?
yes, I learn successfuly 5 remotes into ReplayTV 5000 with extender.
TV KV-32HV600, AMP Onkio TX-DS787, DVD1 Sony RDR-GX7, DVD2 SONY DVP-NS7700, ReplayTV 5080, Remotes: RM-AV3000, 2x 9910, ReplayTV 5000

---(a) Both remotes laying flat on a yable facing each other at about 2-4 inches apart? YES

---(b) press the 9910 button TO which you are learning BEFORE pressing the OEM button FROM which you are learning? Yes

---(c) HOLD the OEM button untiil the 9910 LCD indicates "SUCCESS"? Yes

johnsfine wrote: You could also build a few NEC2 upgrades with device 0 and try all the OBC numbers (0 to 255) and see what each does.

That seems to be the only quick path left.

You could buy the parts to build CaptureIR hardware and get a current copy of the CaptureIR software from me, and I'm pretty confident it would do a better job of capturing and decoding the original remote signals.

You could mail the original remote and return postage to me, and I would use CaptureIR to figure out what the signals really are.

Once we know what the signals really are, it should be easy to build a JP1 upgrade. The ones that learned correctly are NEC2. The ones that learned incorrectly look like truncated NEC2 and almost certainly ARE truncated NEC2, so once we know their OBC numbers it should be easy.

The CaptureIR approach is less tedious and it covers the unlikely chance that the signals that don't learn aren't NEC2. But just making a few upgrades and testing all 256 OBC numbers is cheaper and could be done sooner and almost certainly provides the answer.