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scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

Help.

I have a 8910 remote, have worked with IR and remote master to successfully configure various components (media portal/Hauppauge, Xbox, Tivo, and previously a sony KD740)...

Receiver code 0135 seems to work for ~ half the functions I need/want on my new receiver...

I've used the learning function to capture information on the 3-4 functions that I don't seem to find in the "general" configuration... and while I've searched through the forum's, I don't have a clue how to turn the information I've grabbed via IR into something useful...

The functions, and the information displayed by IR 6.15 follows:

late-night - protocol nec, device 210, sub 108, obc 215, hex 14, efc 114
dvd - protocol nec1, device 210, sub 108, obc 140, hex ce, efc 060
or-eq - protocol nec1, device 210, sub 172, obc 223, hex 04, efc 242
cinemafilter - protocol nec1, device 210, sub 108, obc 214, hex 94, efc 110

So, how can I map this to "non-learned" keys...

(lemme guess, this is covered in a FAQ somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it... )

Thanks for any help...

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

THIS file is very helpful in identifying what is the protocol:device data for any given setup code, AND in identifying what setup codes are available for a particular protocol:device combination, as well as what remotes have these codes in the ROM. In your case, the sheet shows that AUD/0135 is an NEC1:210.109 or 28, which means that your four signals cannot be generated by that upgrade (if the device.subdevice matched, you could just do keymoves by EFC), and there is no built-in setup code with your required device.subdevice combination in the 8910, so you have to build an upgrade for those four functions. To do that, you probably need to read (or re-read) THIS thread. After the upgrade is built and installed, you will have keymove those functions.

Good luck.
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johnsfine · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:45 am Post subject:

Setup code RCVR/0135 covers only device 210, sub 109.

To add sub 108 you could:

A) Build a new upgrade to use instead of 0135 using a combo version of NEC.

or

B) Build an upgrade with just subdevice 108 and with no buttons assigned and use that as the basis for KeyMoves to supplement 0135.

You may want to look at existing Onkyo upgrades. I'm sure you can find method (A) demonstrated and probably a very near match to your set of signals.

Are you sure about that decode with sub 172? I've seen a lot of data on Onkyo devices and don't recall any with sub 172.

greenough1 · Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 659

I looked at an onkyo upgrade that I'm using.

it's based on setup code 0152, protocol NEC1 combo for device 210.

The notes though say "combines all subdevice for one device" and "EFC's are compatible across combo and non combo versions of NEC".

Might this one be of help?

Here's a link: http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2386

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jeff

scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

the 172 sub is what I saw when I pulled after learning that function from the original remote... (and it works on my receiver)

Thanks for the input guys.

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

I would additionally point out, that although the file linked by greenough is a good starting point, as he suggests, you could save quite a few bytes of upgrade space (i.e. NO PROTOCOL UPGRADE REQUIRED) by switching to the "NEC1 combo (official)" protocol, rather than using the "NEC1 Combo" protocol (which is a hacked protocol, that was necessary before the official one was identified and incorporated in KM).
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scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

So, based on your comments, I could use the EFC's from 0135 (and those I've "learned" while using "0152"?

Is there an advacned code list for 0152?

I couldn't actually get the one posted to actually work with my receiver... 135 works great...

I do have things working fairly well... but do wish I could do it without having to utilize a "learned" function

johnsfine · Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject:

scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

ah, ok - Thanks.

scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

well, after trying various files I have downloaded from the yahoo site, I found that I couldn't actually get any of the "combo" upgrades to work happily with my receiver.

So, what I've done is to create a small upgrade that is a simple nec1/210.108 device file that defines the functions that I've found in other searches, and 2 of the "new ones" that I had "learned"... and then used keymoves to finish the configuration on my amp setup (using 0135 as the primary).

it seems to work fairly well - even if my remote key move table seems to be nearly full now.

Thanks for all of the advise.

It's pretty ironic how a $20 remote and a cable that cost ~ $8 to create can provide most if not all of the important functions that one of my co-workers spent $200 to have...

johnsfine · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:21 am Post subject:

scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

well, I know I tried various amp/1135 combo code sets that I downloaded.

(From the yahoo archive)
onkyo787
onkyo-HT_R500 combo210_109+108
Onkyo-HT-R500-RCVR-tweaked

(don't remember if I tried any more of the above items)

(from the hi-remote archive)
onkyo787
onkyo-ht-sr510-receiver

Tried them as either Amp or Receiver - cause I wasn't sure if that would make a difference...

Couldn't get any response from the receiver with any of these combo's loaded into my 8910 remote.

I created an upgrade that was 210.108 w/ only a couple of EFC entries that seem to work pretty well...

The Robman · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject:

Some of those combo upgrades still use the old home-grown NEC combo protocol, you should change that to the "NEC1 Combo (Official)" in order to do away with needing to copy over the protocol upgrade.

My guess is that you haven't been copying the protocol upgrade, which would explain why the codes aren't working.
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scifan · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 11

That makes sense... but it seems that I'm missing something.

I don't think I've "seen" anything in the protocol upgrade space under Remote Master (v1.03). I only see things in the Device Upgrade Code window.

(the example below is created from "Onkyo_HT_R500 Combo210_109+108.txt" file that's been simply converted over to 8910 without any extra-curricular key moves/assignments. The output in the device upgrae code window is this:

gfb107 · Expert Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 3411 Location: Cary, NC

You are using a very old version of RM. Get a newer version and try again.
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