JP1 Remotes

Teks · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: MA

Yes a split second delay before repeat starts on keyboard.

FYI keyboard has two LEDs.

My first AQS keys are quick tap learnings:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2339

A long hold learn would later deliver multiple characters so I never use it.

Here are the new "Q" learnings you requested:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2422][/url]
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject:

The description of the latter file reads...

Teks · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: MA

Sorry for any confusion, but the Q key WAS learned under dvd 123 and 4.

Hmm.. I'll go back and retry.

You are right about SAT though they are also learned from the ack-571 keyboard.

off the top of my head they are:

L1 = ALT TAB TAB
L2 = ALT TAB
L3 = ALT
L4 = ALT F4

These where all quick tap learnings that took some time to get right.
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Teks · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: MA

Here is the redo.. DVD S key.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2426
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject:

Thanks Teks, that definitely confirms it, the delay is built into the original signal. The lead-out time between the 1st and 2nd occurrances of the data is 130k whereas the leadout time between the rest of occurrances is 8680.
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

I have just tweeked the timings used in the V2 protocol. I have learned the signals from one remote to another and they almost exactly match those that Teks just posted, so if this doesn't work, I don't know what will.

Here's the updated protocol code...

Upgrade protocol 0 = 01 F1 (S3C8+) Solidtek ACK-571 IR Keyboard (PB v3.11)
43 8C 11 8B 16 89 C4 10 05 08 00 F4 01 24 00 EA
01 24 FF E1 03 8E 01 13 FF FF 04 20 11 08 04 F6
FF 48 08 C1 F0 C0 02 01 F6 FF 48 19 05 F6 01 46
F6 01 0A FB 0A 46 29 01 C6 1C 10 00 F6 01 46 B6
04 01 B6 05 10 8D 01 46 2C 08 10 C0 C0 C1 2A FA
AF
End

Here's the PB file...
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2401

And here's a new KM file...
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2427

FINGERS CROSSED!
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Teks · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: MA

It is working... however "The Quick Repeat Problem" is back. Maybe a tad better hard to say.
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject:

Could you learn 3 or 4 different buttons from the keyboard using the long-hold method, then try the learned signals from the remote to see if they work. You'll be missing the BREAK part of the signal, so once the button starts repeating you may need to press another button to stop it.

The main thing I'm looking for is some good learns where the button starts repeating when it's held after about the same amount of time as it would if you were holding the keyboard button.

The last protocol I posted acurately replicates the timings of the learns that you posted, so if the learns works, the protocol should too.

If we can't get this thing nailed down, I'll just turn off the repeating part of the protocol all together.
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Teks · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: MA

Teks · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: MA

The Robman · Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:23 am Post subject:

I had a DUH moment overnight, the 130k delay time that I see in your learned signals is simply the maximum delay that the remote's learning software can handle (as it translates to about FF FF), so the real delay time is obviously much larger.

I'll write a loop around the delay time later, so you can program as much delay as you need.
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The Robman · Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject:

I have put the pause time into a loop in this version, so you can increase or decrease the delay by adjusting the red byte. I've also put the HOLD check into the loop, so if you let go of the button while it's in the middle of the delay, it should go straight to the BREAK signal.

Upgrade protocol 0 = 01 F1 (S3C8+) Solidtek ACK-571 IR Keyboard (PB v3.11)
43 8C 11 8B 16 89 C4 10 05 08 00 F4 01 24 00 EA
01 24 10 00 03 8E 01 13 FF FF 04 20 11 08 04 F6
FF 4F 08 C1 F0 C0 02 01 F6 FF 4F 19 05 F6 01 46
6C 06 F6 01 0A FB 0F C6 F8 88 88 F6 01 58 6A F2
46 29 01 F6 01 46 B6 04 01 B6 05 10 8D 01 46 2C
08 10 C0 C0 C1 2A FA AF
End
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xaust · Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 32

I am still not convinced that there is ANY delay from the initial key press coming from the keyboard. Hear me out . . .

The reason I say this goes back to the experiment results I posted earlier. Here it is again for the experiment of interest:

a. Use the actual keyboard only for this experiment.
b. Cover the IR emitters on the keyboard with your hand and
keep covered until step (e) below.
c. Point the keyboard at the Solidtek IR receiver.
d. Press and hold the Q key on the keyboard.
e. After several seconds, while keeping the Q key depressed, uncover the
IR emitters on the keyboard.

Here is what I see on the computer when I do this experiment:

"Q half-second-delay QQQQQQQ ..."

AHA! We all know that at step (e) above the keyboard is blasting out "Q"s at a fast clip. Obviously it is the "Solidtek IR Receiver" that is really doing the interesting "repeat key" processing. It is the receiver NOT THE KEYBOARD that is detecting that the key is still pressed and inserting the initial 1/2 second delay. Teks - you should be able to easily verify my results with your keyboard and receiver.

Does this mean that the keyboard does not have an initial delay? Not necessarily, but it would seem that since the receiver is inserting the delay then the keyboard also doing so would be entirely redundant. In fact it seems to me that the keyboard having an initail delay itself would probably confuse the "repeat key" algorithm that is built into the receiver.

I am going to order the parts to build the simple IR receiver to be used with DigiTrace and those tools. It is my understanding that this should allow us to analyze what the keyboard is doing in excrutiating detail, correct?

Teks · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 16 Location: MA

You the ROBMAN!!

Functioning just perfectly... preliminary testing looking good so far.

Nice work! Very Happy

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The Robman · Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject:

It's possible that you two have different versions of this keyboard and/or it's receiver. The fact that our homemade protocol was causing the buttons to repeat too quickly tells us that the receiver does not do the repeat logic. The learned signals that Teks posted include a much longer delay between the 1st and 2nd repeat, which confirms that the keyboard is supposed to do at least some of the work in the delay department.

Teks, did you change the red number at all in your experiments? With it set to 06, do the buttons repeat as quickly as they would using the keyboard? Could you try reducing/increasing the number until the repeat seems to kick in at exactly the same speed as it does with the keyboard.

Xaust, could you see if the buttons stop repeating on cue when you stop pressing the button, using this upgrade.
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