JP1 Remotes

I love all the things that can be done w/ a 15-2116 but I quickly run out of protocol/upgrade memory. I have extender 3 and five protocol/device upgrades (Crystal Image scaler, Barco projector, DirecTV receiver, Pioneer DVD player, Yamaha amp). In order to do this I had to delete the Custom Mode Name and Backlight extenders and related devices. I would like to be able to add back these two extenders as well as add control for my Lutron lights. (BTW-the Lutron protocol takes up 100 bytes...and it only has 5 buttons!)

Can anyone comment on methods that could be employed to either remap the memory (which I don't think is possible) or somehow only program in a few of the most needed keys for a device w/out having to load an entire protocol. I read here that someone considered just learning a few of the most needed keys but then I wonder...w/ extender 3 loaded how would I do that? The learn function is gone isn't it?

Would a device combiner be of any use? If you take two devices (Lutron and the Crystal Image scaler) and combine their protocols will they take up less memory? Similarly, can I learn the five Lutron keys and combine them into the scaler protocol? Is that possible?

Thanks for any thoughts on this debilitating problem!

Curt

How much of the Key Move space are you using? Have you tried using Keymoves instead of building completely new upgrades?

David

David-I guess I need to learn more about key moves. I would only need to do five for the Lutron.

How do I get a key move into the remote for a device that isn't loaded nor does it have a protocol loaded? I assume I would do something in KM but I'm not sure how to go about it.

Curt

Well, if the required protocol and devices are truly not resident in your remote, you will still have to load (as a minimum) the protocol upgrade and a bare-bones device upgrade (no button assignments).

But then, either in KM, RM or directly in IR, you can create keymoves, using that device upgrade.

I would bet, however, that there is a resident device in the 2116 for at least the Pioneer and Yamaha units. Even if they don't automatically map all of your functions, you can use the built-in devices to make keymoves. Check THIS spreadsheet to see what setup codes may meet your needs.

For example, it is likely that you need the Pioneer DVD (setup code 0525 or 0571). These are NOT in the 2116, BUT the setup code VCR/0568 uses the same protocol (PID: 007E) and device numbers/fixed data, so it's likely you can build keymoves calling on setup code VCR/0568, and use neither a protocol upgrade nor a device upgrade for your DVD player.

Similarly, almost all of the Yamaha upgrades I looked at use NEC1, device 122, which can be found in the 2116 as setup codes AUD/0176, 1176 and 1276. Each may have differnet function to button assignments, but each should be a good starting point for keymoves, obviating the need for those device and protocol upgrades.

You appear to be SOL on Barco, Crystal and Lutron, but as I mentioned above, if you reduce the device upgrades to have NO BUTTON assignments, and then use keymoves for all of the button assignments in one or two of them, you should regain a measurable amount of upgrade space. Hopefully the Pioneer and Yamaha upgrade space will yield you some gains.

You might do best to upload your current IR file (and post a link to it) and someone can look at it and give you a suggestion or two.

Thanks Capn! It'll take me a while but I'll give it a try. I should be back in business if I could map out the Yamaha and Pioneer. If it works I'll post here. I'm using some of the odd functions in all devices to switch inputs etc. in macros designed to automate on/off so I may get stuck.

Thanks again for the ideas! I never thought of matching the protocol/device numbers for a different device...but that seems to make sense...a different level of detail I hadn't considered. Just the kind of thoughts I was hoping to hear.

Curt