JP1 Remotes

silron1 · Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 95 Location: Manchester - UK

Hello - Am an absolute beginner with JP1, Have ordered an interface and eagerly awaiting delivery next week.
I have a UK Kameleon 6 URC 8060 but no codes for either of the 2 pieces of kit in subject.
The OFA helpline keep sending me codes to try that work 1 or 2 buttons but nowhere near the full array.
I read about JP1 and am hopeful it will be the answer.

My question is are there any ready made files availiable for these devices?
I have already downloaded the latest IR.exe file, Keymap Master file and the Devices4 spreadsheet. Following the Beginners Guide I also downloaded the Devices Spreadsheet but read the readme which states these files are very old. Is there a newer version? Sorry to trouble you with what must be such elimentary questions.

usblipitor · Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 516 Location: Greenbelt, MD

silron1 · Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 95 Location: Manchester - UK

It is a Home Theatre set up in a box by Panasonic with built in Panasonic DVD+ amp + tuner + sub-woofer and 5 speakers. there are 2 aux inputs for TV and VCR sound all controlled by the remote EUR7623XAO

The Plasma screen PW6 is a monitor only, no tuner, but with 3 slots for scart control boards or component inputs as wel as a VGA input ready for computer use. In fact a slightly different arrangement to the older PW5. When my interface arrives I will try the info you kindly gave me for the PW5 to see if it works - thanks

willcodeforbeer · Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 7

The Panny 42PWD5 device file works well with a TH-42PWD6UY (or any of the "commercial" 6-series Panasonic plasmas). However...

To date, nobody has found the discretes codes for this plasma to select all the various inputs directly. There is a workaround. The 5-series code for selecting the PC (VGA) input works, so people recommend setting up a macro to select the PC input and send subsequent "Input" presses to reach the desired input. (I've also hear about a specialized IR-to-serial box that can receive IR commands and instruct the plasma to go directly to a given inputs over its serial port.)

Thankfully, the discrete power-on and power-off codes work great.

- Jeff

The Robman · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 5:38 pm Post subject:

Silron, the URC-8060 is a learning remote, so once your JP1 cable arrives you already have all the tools you need to create your own upgrades.

If you're stuck, try learning a few buttons and then post the info here for us to look at.
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silron1 · Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 95 Location: Manchester - UK

Thanks for help todate- JP1 cable arrived in my mailbox (UK) within 4 days curtesy of Tom at Firebug.
With my Kameleon 6 have learned the codes for the Plasma from the original remote and managed to create a new setup code in KM which I copied to IR and uploaded as a new code for the Kameleon. - Works fine.
But!! but!! but!! am having real trouble trying to add some learned buttons to an existing setup code.
Before my cable arrived OFA Eorope eventually found and downloaded a suggested DVD code 1908 for my SC-HT500 but it did not work all the buttons so I learnt the missing ones with the Kameleon.
I have tried moving the buttons to Key Moves but it does not work for me. DVD 1908 shows as an added device in devices.
Do I need to learn all the buttons over again as I did for the plasma or is there a way of adding the additional button codes, approx 10, to the existing setup code 1908. There would be about 60+ buttons to learn if I have to start over.
I have read JP1 for Beginners, searched the posts but I seem to have missed this facility if it exists.

jamesgammel · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:10 am Post subject:

You have three choices, delete the learns and learn them to buttons that you really want them on (here's where it pays to plan ahead). OR (a better option) use IR and it's decoding tool to decipher the efc's for each of those learns and put them on buttons of your choice as keymoves. OR (the best option), decode those learns, and make a NEW, CUSTOM upgrade that includes both the ones that you got from OFA (where you can see the efc's and their button assignments in "Devices Tab" if you click "DVD_1908, plus the decoded learns. As keymoves those buttons will use up 50-60 bytes of keymove memory; as part of a new upgrade including what you got from OFA and the learns will only add 10 or more (depending on the buttons you select to use, and the "type" to upgrade area (and maybe some to keymoves depending on device type/buttons selected). I'd opt for the third choice, then delete all those leanrs and the OFA upgrade.
You wouldn't have to start from scratch, you should already have all the data you need to make one streamlined upgrade.

Jim

johnsfine · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:44 am Post subject:

If I understand correctly, you downloaded DVD/1908 so you have that upgrade in your eeprom.

You can see the EFCs in that upgrade in the devices tab in IR. There's no way to copy the whole upgrade to KM to start your own custom upgrade, but it isn't so hard to retype all the individual EFC numbers.

In constructing that upgrade, you can deduce the protocol/device/subdevice info from downloaded upgrade (devices tab), but it's probably easier to get that info from your learned signals.

If you don't want to build a new upgrade, you should be able to use the learned signals (assuming you don't need to free up the learned signal memory for something else). If they're on the wrong keys, Jim is incorrect you don't need to delete and relearn them. IR can change which key a learned signal is bound to.

I'm not sure what you meant by "moving the buttons to Key Moves". You can replace the learned signals with equivalent keymoves. That's a second way of using DVD/1908 rather than building your own. In those keymoves you must specify the EFC decoded from the learned signals by IR.

jamesgammel · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:04 am Post subject:

johnsfine · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:15 pm Post subject:

jamesgammel · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:50 pm Post subject:

John,

There have been several "still waiting on my cable" posts. Without a cable, that first option is actually the only viable one.

Secondly, I've been working through Yahoo messenger the past few days guiding a newbie top Jp-1 the "ropes" concerning IR, RM, etc. He has a 9960 with the cable and Pogo adapter. Now I know Rob has a solution for the awkward use by soldering, gluing in the header, BUT I can't say that either I or this newbie is 100% confidant that this is the way to go. Without doing this, it's very hard to keep all the pins in correct alingment with one hannd, manipulating IR, keyboard (and YM) with just one hand. I'm not exactly sure what he finally decided as a "technical fix", perhaps a dang rubberband. However, it does take him some 5-10 minutes to be "back to ready" just messing with the cable. it's not quite as simple and quick as inserting the IDC connector on a 2104, for instance. I also know that the 2133 at least provides a timely way to use a batteryscrew, freeing up that other hand. I'm not sure which way the 8060 requires, 2133 style or kludging something 9960 style. At any rate, if it's similar to the 9960, it's a PITA. If I was stuck in such a condition, I'd avoid using IR unless IR was the only way.
Thus, if it was me, and I was going to go the "use learns" rather than keymoves or new custom upgrade, manually deleting and relearning is actually less hassle and likely quicker. That's why i even mentioned that option. I did err, perhaps, in not covering every possible and conceivable solution, since your post concerning using IR to move the learns to other keys is yet a 4th option. I certainly didn't mean to imply that it wasn't. I am however guilty of non-thuroughness in presenting that option so I thus apologize for that.

Jim

The Robman · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:12 pm Post subject:

silron1 · Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 95 Location: Manchester - UK

Maybe we've come off my original post but to come back to it and the very helpful replies. To summerise I have now done the following

Built Plasma Screen PW6 (the code suggested for PW5 does not work with anything other than the PC vga input ) new Setup Code in KM from the learnt signals, only 18 buttons - no probs works well

Looked at all your suggestions and decided to start over for the SC-HT500 by learning the 38 buttons I need. - I then opened KM and typed in the EFC numbers on the functions page and then allocated the buttons on the button page. The only oddity I noticed was that some of the learnt signals indicated a different sub device. Whilst most showed device 160 notably power showed a sub device 28 and the number keys (0-9) showed 128 as the main device with no sub device.
I went back to the setup tab in KM and added 28 as a sub device.
The protocol name I put in as Panasonic as indicated on all the learned signals.
Setup Code I named DVD 0030. Copied eveything back into IR and uploaded to the Kameleon 6 which incidently has the same contacts position as the RS 2113 requiring holding the Pogo into the 6 contacts through a battery adaptor (ordered with JP1 cable) exactly as in the 2113

The sum of all this activity is that whilst all the learnt signals work correctly the new Setup Code 0030 only works the power button. I've kept copies all along the way and I could leave the learns in the remote but I would really like to know why the new code does not work.

silron1 · Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 95 Location: Manchester - UK

sorry to repost but I meant RS 2133 not 2113

The Robman · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:57 am Post subject:

If your remote uses one device code with a mixture of sub device codes, you will need to use the Panasonic Combo protocol and enter the sub devices in the byte2 column in KM.
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