JP1 Remotes

The Robman · Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:07 pm Post subject:

I must admit that I didn't notice the 18 device codes when I create the upgrade, so I just used the OBCs. If the UP and DOWN buttons work, I guess there's no issue, but if they don't, we'll have to convert $00DC into a mini-combo protocol.

Given that there are only two remotes out there (that I know of) that even have this protocol installed, it's not a big issue to have to re-write it.
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Eiffel · Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 23 Location: MD

John, Rob,

I tried the protocol and device upgrade data you provided me, but, unfortunately something seems wrong, and I don't know if a user error or something else. Confused

When I configure the new protocol, and device information, my B260 tuner doesn't recognize the new signals at all.

To help diagnose what is going on, I taught a pronto emulator (NetRemote Pro) both the signal from my original remote, and the signal that my RS 15-2117 sends when the 1 key is pressed. Here's what I get

Original remote:

0000 0024 0000 000e 0001 0036 0001 0011 0001 0011 0001 0024 0001 0024 0001 0024 0001 0024 0001 0011 0001 0011 0001 0011 0001 0024 0001 0011 0001 0036 0001 5ba5

Device Upgrade/Protocol

0000 0048 0000 001a 00e6 00e6 001d 0073 001d 0073 001d 0073 001d 0039 001d 0039 001d 0039 001d 0073 001d 0073 001d 0039 001d 0039 001d 0039 001d 0073 001d 0039 001d 0039 001d 0039 001d 0073 001d 0073 001d 0073 001d 0039 001d 0039 001d 0073 001d 0073 001d 0073 001d 0039 001d 01cd

If this helps, I could post a dump of the memory of my JP1 remote at Yahoo

Eiffel

johnsfine · Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject:

That second one is NOT from the upgrade Rob gave you. It is a standard RCA signal for the digit '1' from the built-in setup code VCR/0060.

I'm not ready to guess what went wrong installing that upgrade that would leave you with VCR/0060 selected instead of the new setup code. But some things to check are

Did you install the protocol part of the upgrade in to IR's protocols tab?

Did you install the device part of the upgrade in to IR's devices tab.

Did you assign CBL/2000 to some device key on the setup sheet?

Did you get the success pattern in the remote's LCD at the end of upload?

Did you press the device key that had CBL/2000 assigned to it?

What did the 2117 display show as you pressed that '1' key?

Eiffel · Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 23 Location: MD

John,

My most sincere apologies! I have two identical remotes and picked the one without the new protocol to teach my PocketPC! Embarassed

The code that the CBL 2000 device generates for key 1 is indeed much closer to the one from the original remote:

Original remote:

0000 0024 0000 000e 0001 0036 0001 0011 0001 0011 0001 0024 0001 0024 0001 0024 0001 0024 0001 0011 0001 0011 0001 0011 0001 0024 0001 0011 0001 0036 0001 5ba5

CBL 2000 device upgrade

0000 0024 0000 000e 0001 0042 0001 0015 0001 0015 0001 002b 0001 002b 0001 002b 0001 002b 0001 0015 0001 0015 0001 0015 0001 002b 0001 0015 0001 0042 0001 6d78

The results are unfortunately the same (as I did my initial testing with the correct remote, and double checked it... this time)

The Robman · Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject:

It looks like all my timings are a little on the high side, though I think you device is being very picky (if I may say so!). Also, my lead out time is too long.
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The Robman · Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject:

Try this protocol instead, I get a 99% perfect match using this. (It still doesn't address the UP and DOWN buttons needing a different device code, but we can address that later if this works).
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Eiffel · Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 23 Location: MD

Thanks for your responses.

Rob, I'm not sure I understand which protocol I should try instead...

Eiffel

The Robman · Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:30 am Post subject:

I thought I had pasted the new protocol into the post, but I guess not.

Here ya go...

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 00 DC (S3C8+) Custom Protocol for Cable/2000 Revox B260 Tuner (KM v8.30)
00 00 11 8B 13 C5 E5 40 05 06 00 0A 00 31 00 0A
00 80 E2 85 00 0A 00 D0 76 03 01 EB 03 46 2B 01
8D 01 49
End
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Eiffel · Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 23 Location: MD

Rob,

Thank You! You've nailed it Very Happy

... there are only 3 commands which are causing some trouble among the ones I've tested (I can't test all of them as I don't have the RDS option board) :

[Enter] -- Upon checking, the learned code I sent you didn't work either, and I've posted an updated file at yahoo: Revox B208 Remote -V2.IR

This is a key which I hope you'll be able to get to work (without it, many other functions are useless, as one has to confirm most selections by pressing Enter)

[Arrow Up] and [Arrow Down] -- These are much less important keys as their only role is to allow to zap though multiple banks of presets, rather than within one bank (which the left and right arrow do). I included them to be complete... It's actually also interesting that these keys are the only shifted ones I included in my device file (the B208 remote has two different shift functions... like an extended JP1 remote Wink

... but 20 years ago!)

I'm really grateful for your efforts. BTW, do you know of a way to increase the special protocol/device upgrade memory? (Even with an extender, I had to remove one of the other special protocols I used, and have only 1 byte left, after removing everything I could such as ToadTog, etc)... I'll survive though Wink

Eiffel

The Robman · Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject:

OK, first things first, here's an updated version with the ENTER key fixed

Upgrade Code 0 = 67 D0 (Cable/2000) Revox B260 Tuner (KM v8.30)
DC 00 CE FE 78 49 C7 A4 74 B4 34 D4 54 94 14 E4
64 88 08 D0 B0 20 E0 80 70 98 58 58 98 28 9C FC
C8 48 18 90
End

Now, here's my first attempt at also fixing the UP and DOWN buttons, for for this you'll need a new version of the protocol too, so test the previous code first.

Upgrade Code 0 = 6F D1 (Cable/2001) Revox B260 tuner (KM v8.31)
DC 00 CE FE 78 49 C7 B7 A4 74 B4 34 D4 54 94 14
E4 64 88 08 D0 B0 20 E0 80 70 9A 5A 58 98 28 9C
FC C8 48 18 90
End

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 01 DC (S3C8+)
00 00 11 8B 13 C5 E5 40 05 06 00 0A 00 31 00 0A
00 80 E2 85 00 0A 00 D0 76 03 01 EB 03 46 2B 01
8D 01 49
End

If all this works, you can customize the upgrade using this KM file: Revox_B260_tuner.txt
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Eiffel · Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 23 Location: MD

Rob,

Thanks for your very prompt turnaround!

The first upgrade code you provided me does fix the issue with the Enter key... wonderful!

I'm having some trouble with the second protocol/device upgrade. First, the upgrade code is looking for protocol 00DC (Rather than 01DC)... If I don't change the protocol number, pressing keys on the remote links to VCR 060, and not CBL 2001. If I change the upgrade protocol number to 00DC, things are a little bit better, in that the correct protocol is called (CBL 2001 shows), but some of the keys get mislabelled (key 2 sends the IR code for 1, rewind sends code for stop, etc).

The arrow keys (even accounting for this key shift) don't seem to work as the original remote: up/down and left/right have the same effect as in the previous protocol/device upgrade.

I hope this helps and makes sense

Eiffel

The Robman · Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:15 pm Post subject:

It sounds like you're still using the old upgrade, not the new one that I just posted. i just checked it and it's calling for $01DC not $00DC. (I re-named the protocol and upgrade for the second upgrade test.
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Eiffel · Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 23 Location: MD

Ron, I checked, rechecked, downloaded the latest IR and KM versions, and tried your KM file, but there is still this odd key shift issue (the protocol number is now fine, I just had to check Protocol>FF to get it to work initially)

Maybe this will help trace what's going on:

in KM 8.31, with the KM file, num 0 is EFC 239/OBC 026, but in IR (after copying both the protocol and device upgrade), these codes become associated with mum 1 in the device tab.

This issue doesn't seem to affect the arrow up and down key, but as far as I can tell, these keys have the same effect as the left and right arrows. If this helps, I could post a new file in which I will teach some more codes that the remote can send in 'shifted mode' (these keys have nothing to do with the tuner, but I presume they'll use the same protocol).

I could also send you the CCF codes taught from the original remote, and what the protocol generates.

Thanks for all your efforts

Eiffel

The Robman · Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:17 am Post subject:

I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to the upgrade codes I posted, not the KM file. It was the posted upgrade codes that i checked, not the KM file. I will try and find time to verify the KM file later today, but in the meantime, could you verify whether the 2nd posted upgrade works.

I hadn't expected you to try the KM file before you verified that the posted upgrades work. If the 2nd upgrade doesn't work, I'll need to tweek the protocol code anyway, so the KM file would be useless.
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Eiffel · Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 23 Location: MD

Rob, the problem I mentioned exists with both the KM file and the protocol and device upgrades (I only used the KM file to try to understand what the cause of the problem was).

I'm assuming that the new protocol and device upgrades work hand in hand and that I should not mix them with the old upgrades. If this is correct, unfortunately, the new protocol/device pair doesn't solve the issue with the up and down arrows (the tuner behaves as if it received the left and right arrow IR signals), and the new pair introduces a problem with key mapping (as described above).

I hope this all makes sense.

Eiffel