JP1 Remotes

jamesgammel · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:47 pm Post subject:

Sheesh, what a brain-fart!! Of course IR uses buttonmaps; digits, volumes and channels have to be grouped among other things. 30 lashes with a wet noodle for me. Sad

Jim

Nils_Ekberg · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: KM v7.55 now available

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Nils_Ekberg · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:52 pm Post subject:

Mike

I don't believe you made any errors in these RDF's. The only thing I ran into with them was the buttons in the BUTTONMAP and not in the BUTTONS section. The other thing that I dealt with was button names in the RDF and Image map not in synch. No big dealt. I think we need to just do some versioning or something on RDF's so we are all always working from the latest. We should probably declare which set of RDF's is the most current or master set. Obviously I vote for the ones packaged with RM since I try my best to monitor RDF changes mentioned in these forums and make sure I pick them up and get to Greg to put them in the RM distribution.

I actually look forward to updated RDF's because most of the time they actually fix problems I have run into like the button map for the 1925 not being completely functional like the new ones you just created and went through.

I just uploaded the updates for these for Greg in the jp1-km file section RM maps and images called "Updated 10-12-03 Maps Images etc.zip"
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mr_d_p_gumby · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:30 pm Post subject:

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The Robman · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:42 pm Post subject:

Just FYI, when I'm creating an RDF, I generally only include non-shifted buttons inthe [Buttons] section, unless the shifted button is labelled (which is rare). This is regardless of whether shifted buttons are included in the Buttonmaps. I do this with the knowledge that IR can handle it by itself, so I would agree that upgrading RM to also handle it is desirable.

There are many cases where there are button codes included in the Buttonmaps that do not correspond to real buttons (shifted or otherwise). Sometimes it's because the one processor is used for several different remotes (like with the URC-7070 and 15-1925) and sometimes it's just a mistake, which is the case with the URC-9800 where you won't find the CLEAR button in any Buttonmap, and there is an invalid button code included in several buttonmaps. Obviously, they simply got the buttoncode for CLEAR wrong. So what do we do in a situation like this, we assign that invalid buttoncode to a Phantom key as this gives the user the ability to program the phantom via a device upgrade, not just a keymove.

Now, the RDF situation is becoming a mess. We have some RDFs over at SourceForge, some in the RDF folder and some bundled with IR.exe. I think it's time to seperate the RDFs from the IR.exe zip (even though I know in advance that this will cause a few newbie problems). I think they need their own seperate zip file, which should be stored in the Tools folder over at Yahoo. These RDFs should be IR and RM compliant. When new RDFs are created, or old ones are modified, they should be stored in the RDF folder at Yahoo, awaiting eventual inclusion in the RDF zip file (as has always been the case).

Greg, if you want to have a zip file of RDFs over at SourceForge also, that's OK, just so long as it's the exact same zip file that's available over at Yahoo (so, we'll need a version number). Is this OK?
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Nils_Ekberg · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:59 pm Post subject:

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The Robman · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:53 pm Post subject:

Then by all means manage them at SourceForge, but let's still keep a master zip of them over here. Remember, there's little reason for people not directly involved with RM to go over to SF.

As for updating the master zip, any moderator has that ability, but we should probably limit it to just a few people just to avoid it getting too out of hand.
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jamesgammel · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 11:33 pm Post subject:

Personally I'd like to see getting RM updates at Yahoo tools as well. Seems every time I get an upgrade, I have to use a different mirror.

Several of us have already mentioned that we keep just one set of RDF's for both RM and IR. Greg and Nils have fought tooth and nail to make sure that RM rdf's are also IR compliant. Nils has done a WONDERFUL job keeping image maps, and rdf's modified and up to date. From what I've seen, Greg just takes them as-is and includes them.
It's no secret that we have several s3c8 experts; a few are John, Jon, Rob, Dave, and ther's others. We have fewer 740 experts, but at least they are excellent. Thus far there haven't been all that many that used 740's, so we've been fortunate. It's no secret that Mike is THE 6805 expert.
Some time ago someone made a comment about rdfs being pretty well worked out. Over the last few months, it appears that that statement wasn't quite accurate. Personally, I don't think the advances that have been made are going to taper off. I think what's going to happen is we'll continually see "new" (actually OLD) remotes popping up here. There's a slew of models that haven't been brought to our attention. I think as JP-1 grows, all those old remotes are going to be dragged out of drawers, examined, and we're gonna get posts like: Hey I have this remote with 6 pins and it's not on the list. What this means is while 6805's were not understood and not focused on much in the past is gonna change. That's going to involve Mike's help, and we should be and are grateful that Mike has devoted so much time and effort into "mastering" the 6805 processor as it relates to ueic remotes.
I'd suggest that Nils handle the RM compliance, and he should be one who could "add" to the master zip. If it's not both IR and RM compliant, it should stay in the rdf folder at JP-1. We already know that very few can handle doing the digitmaps. If an rdf isn't known to be RM compliant, the description should state that, so Nils can make it so, and likely he'll have to at least work on the image map part.

Round of applause to Mark for KM 7.55, Mike for the 6805 rdf's, Greg for RM 0.72, and Nils for the great contributions. Hey, let's not forget Joe for the USB interface as well as the behind the scenes contributions for all these projects by Tommy and Mark Pauker. If I missed anyone, forgive me, I'm wupped and need to get to bed. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Jim

The Robman · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:28 pm Post subject:

I have just re-bundled IR.exe together with all the current RDFs (as v3.21b). I have also bundled all the current RDFs together in their own zip and called it version 1.00

These include the 6805 RDFs from Mike's zip and the two Mil4 RDFs that Jim put in the RDF folder.
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