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[jhstn58]

First off, congratulations to to Rob Crowe on the new forum. Now on with the fun!

I don't know whether this qualifies as a beginning or an advanced question, but since I FEEL like a beginner, I'll post it here.

With my RS 15-2116 remote, I am using vasqued's 2116ex2 and am trying to create discrete power controls for my Toshiba DVD (1503) and Motorola 5100 HDTV STB(0476). My power button is also the power toggle switch for both devices.

If I understood the ToadTog ReadMe correctly, the power button hex code (03) becomes 09 to turn off and 89 to turn on. For the Cable box I created a key that sends the power function but remembers the current state (01 03 03). Then I created a discrete off key (09 03) and a discrete on key (89 03). I did the same thing for the DVD player, using toggle 2 (21 03 03 to track state and 21 03 and A9 03 to turn off and on respectively.

My first question is, am I supposed to use different toggles to track the state vs. create the discrete keys themselves? I have tried this as well and I still can't seem to get it to work.

If I've set it up right in this respect, then I can only guess I'm making some other mistake when creating the key move: For the cable box the bound device is CBL Phantom1, to which I am binding the first hex command described above (the track key). CBL phantom2 and phantom3 get the discrete functions off and on. I use DVD phantom4, phantom5 and xs_phantom1 for the same respective DVD commands.

Since MISC/1800 is the device that contains the toadtog protocols, I can only assume I am referencing the wrong device at some poin in the key move, but I don't know wehere. Do I bind MISC 1800 (which I have under db08) to the discrete commands, then add them to a macro whenever I select the "Watch HDTV" macro command?

I hope someone can follow this. Perhaps I am more confused than I thought.
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Jim

[Mark Pierson]

[vasqued2]

I'm sorry but I didn't really follow your explanation. I think you may be expecting ToadTog to do something it doesn't do, but I'm not sure.

Here's what I think you are saying:

Your DVD and HDTV do not have discrete codes. You currently have a Power Toggle programmed on the Power button (i.e. when you press the Power button when in that device's mode, the device toggles on and off). You want to use ToadTog to create discrete codes for your DVD and HDTV.

If that's what you are saying, then here's my answer:

ToadTog does not allow you to 'create' discrete codes for your device. If your device doesn't support discrete codes, there's nothing you can do to make it do so.

With that being said, ToadTog will let you 'simulate' discrete codes. It does this by internally keeping track of whether your DVD is on or off. If you press the 'On' button, it will check and see if your DVD is already on. If so, it won't send anything. If it is off, it will send the Power Toggle command. Obviously this isn't perfect because it's possible that the remote may internally think that your DVD is off when it is really on.

Generally, to use ToadTog to simulate discrete codes you create three separate buttons (note, they can be shifted, in macros, etc. so they don't take up three whole buttons). Let's assume you use Toggle 1 to internally keep track of the device state. For the On button, you would test Toggle 1. If it was on, you wouldn't send any signal (because the device is already on). If it was off, you would send the Power command to turn it on (because the device was off) and switch the internal toggle to On. For the Off button, you would do just the opposite. Finally, you would also want to create a 'Resync my device' button that you could use if your device and remote got out of sync. This would set Toggle 1 to On but would always issue the Power command. If you got out of sync, you would keep pushing that button until your device was on. Since it always sets the Toggle to On, everything would be back in sync.

If you wanted to set it up for another device, you would use Toggle 2, etc.

I know I rambled but I hope that makes sense and I answered your question or at least gave you a basis to go back and look at what you did. I didn't understand your questions about the keymoves, so if you want specific examples, I can give them to you if this is at least what you are looking for.

If I told you something you already knew or how to do something other than what you are trying to do. Sorry, just let me know.

David

[Guest]

Sorry for my confusing question. It probably reflects my lack of experience with extenders. I will retry to program the process, but I have two questions?

1. Do I need to do anything to the MISC/1800 device BEFORE I assign the toggle keys to it? i.e., do I need to put add some key set macros, or are they alrady included by virtue of the fact that you pre-inserted the extra devices?

2. When I create my macros for the simulated discrete functions, do I need to include the toggle track key function as a first step, before inserting the "discrete on" function?

[johnsfine]

[Guest]

My inexperience is really showing here.

I didn't think I needed to put any of those commands on the power key. Aren't they already there by virtue of my device upload from keymaster? (although you raise an interesting point - when I look at the hex value of the DVD's power button, it is 50, not 03)

You're right about the 88 vs 89. I figured that out later. But you are right that I want the ToadTog command to execute the power command's originial function, but I didn't understand what you meant by shift cloaking or why I need to KeyMove the original power command to a phantom key.

[johnsfine]

[jhstn58]

[johnsfine]

I seem to be failing to communicate the idea here. Maybe one of the others who understands it should try to explain it.

[jimschott]

[jhstn58]

Thanks guys. It's obvious that I need to go back and start over on this extender stuff. I will make another attempt this weekend to get it right and report back. Your input has been invaluable.
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Jim