JP1 Remotes

ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

All my remotes run extender. I guess I could sacrifice an extender on 8910. But the amount of data this LEGO remote sends out is enormous. Wait till you see the wheel which I still haven't figured out how to learn.
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The Robman · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:29 pm Post subject:

Here's the learning data from the first 8 learns posted:

ch1 blue brake,
+160 -1021 +179 -567 +160 -267 +160 -286 +160 -267 +160 -294 +152 -567 +160 -294 +160 -567 +152 -567 +160 -294 +160 -267 +152 -294 +160 -567 +160 -286 +160 -567 +160 -267 +160 -100886
ch1 red brake,
+165 -1018 +182 -263 +164 -291 +154 -263 +165 -290 +165 -263 +182 -563 +164 -263 +165 -280 +165 -563 +164 -291 +154 -263 +165 -290 +165 -263 +182 -263 +164 -563 +182 -546 +154 -100891
ch2 blue brake,
+157 -1022 +178 -569 +158 -269 +157 -290 +157 -569 +158 -295 +152 -569 +157 -296 +157 -569 +152 -569 +157 -296 +157 -269 +152 -295 +158 -569 +157 -290 +157 -569 +158 -569 +157 -138169
ch2 red brake,
+162 -1038 +162 -292 +154 -265 +162 -292 +162 -565 +154 -292 +162 -565 +162 -265 +154 -292 +162 -565 +162 -265 +181 -265 +162 -292 +154 -265 +162 -292 +162 -565 +154 -265 +162 -138165
ch3 blue brake,
+163 -1019 +181 -265 +162 -292 +154 -564 +163 -292 +163 -264 +154 -564 +163 -292 +163 -564 +154 -564 +163 -292 +163 -264 +181 -265 +162 -292 +154 -264 +163 -292 +163 -264 +154 -179846
ch3 red brake,
+162 -1046 +181 -565 +162 -265 +162 -565 +181 -265 +162 -292 +154 -565 +162 -265 +162 -292 +154 -565 +162 -292 +162 -265 +181 -265 +162 -565 +162 -284 +162 -265 +162 -565 +162 -179484
ch4 blue brake,
+156 -1022 +178 -570 +156 -270 +156 -570 +178 -570 +156 -270 +156 -570 +178 -270 +156 -570 +156 -570 +178 -270 +156 -296 +152 -296 +156 -570 +156 -270 +152 -296 +156 -570 +156 -221418
ch4 red brake,
+163 -1019 +181 -564 +164 -264 +163 -564 +181 -564 +164 -264 +163 -564 +181 -264 +164 -291 +154 -564 +163 -264 +164 -291 +154 -264 +163 -592 +163 -264 +154 -291 +164 -264 +163 -221337

and here it is converted into binary:

ch1 blue brake 1000010110001010
ch1 red brake 0000010010000011
ch2 blue brake 1001010110001011
ch2 red brake 0001010010000010
ch3 blue brake 0010010110000000
ch3 red brake 1010010010001001
ch4 blue brake 1011010110001001
ch4 red brake 1011010010001000
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ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

Rob, you're taking first of the signals, right?
The binaries might match "LEGO Power Functions RC Protocol" page where cc=channel, t=toggle, MMM=mode, and dddd=data 1000 for brake command, like this:

ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

Wheel signals. I did not do all possibilities this time, because I need advice on the amount of data. It might be that I could do less pressing variations.

On wheels I need to catch direction, which is simple, and speed which is not. Perhaps if I see the binaries for the new files, I'll know better what/how to record.
The users tell me that wheels have no zero position. Timeout causes it to always start at zero independent of physical position of a wheel.
Rob, I included just one .ict file. So if you have IRscope you can see what I see.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=13775
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:32 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that's probably it. I didn't get time to dig further yesterday. The next step for me is to produce a KM file that represents all the functions listed in the PDF.
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject:

I don't think we need any more learns from the Lego remote. The following zip file contains a KM file which should re-create most of the functions of the Lego remote.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=13776

There are a few combo functions that I didn't try to re-create because there would be too many combinations.

I've also included the PB file as I don't expect it to work right the first time, and I haven't tried testing it.
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ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

Rob, you're amazing. The speed with which you make a protocol and deocde all the stuff is impressive. So Big Thank You Smile

I haven't yet downloaded your latest creation, but earlier I looked at your PB you posted few daays ago and it looked amazing to me how you figured it from the .pdf.

Bad news: something broke IR. Can't blame Microsoft since they don't push updates anymore. It continues complaining that it can't see RDF in RM\203alpha... which is ok since I updated. BUT - I tell IR to change the path to \203 and next time, it still talks about alpha.
Then it can't recognize any interface (for 6131). Delcom Proxy had to be reinstalled, I don't know why since it worked before. So I dragged out the old parallel cable. It's seen, but I get errors such as "Priviledged instruction" on both interfaces.

I'll download your files now, and hope somebody can help me with broken IR.
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ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

Broken IR is OT here. I will use RM unless all cables fail.
Amazing worksheet and the complete KM file. Thank you.

One question: kids have two train devices, so they use ch1 and ch2. On the setup sheet you mention relation of device to channel, but where do I put it. I suspect on the setup sheet Device1 cell and make 2 devices (vcr and tv or whatever on the remote), right?
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The Robman · Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject:

The Robman · Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:52 pm Post subject:

I just ran some tests on it and the output looks good. The only mistake that I made was that I accidentally got the 1s and 0s reversed, so it was MSB-COMP rather than just MSB. So I fixed that and re-loaded the zip file.
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ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

Well, I got IR working by bringing up the old RM alpha folder back, and the Delcom cable now works too. Go figure.
Anyway, I made 2 device files after thinking about it Smile

I was just going to post the results which were not quite right, but I see you saw that as well.
On second run signals didn't repeat when button is held down.
I'll check your new thing.
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ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

Quick peek at your new issue:
Ran it quickly through IRscope, it thinks ch1 is Sony12, and ch2 was not decoding and not repeating when button is held.

Do you think that it'll work the trains if we don't observe those loooong pauses between repeating signals and something about 5 signals at a time?
More tomorrow.
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The Robman · Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:28 am Post subject:

I programmed my executor to just send 5 repeats and stop. Looking at your learns, I see they send 5 and then flip the toggle. So, if you are confirming that the signals work, I can explore making it send 5, then flip the toggle, then long pause, then 5 more, etc.
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ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

Toggle might be the reason why sometimes long press repeated, sometimes did not yesterday. Also it was reporting 40mhz. So I decided to start from scratch.

I did 981 reset on the remote to make sure is not extended. And used your IR file rather than mine which was extended (and KMs also extended).
So we should be on the same page.
For some reason when the buttons are held I don't see repeats today.
On the Lego remote each button press quickly blinked several (5?) times, even on a quick tap.
But from 6131 I don't see that. See uploaded .rtf.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=13777

I wonder if in the wheel learns you can see the behavior I observed on the LEGO remote.
It has to do with a subtle difference between brake and stop the wheel.
When you brake, it's all off (like when you park the car).
When you stop turning the wheel it seems to be in ready-to-continue mode (maybe as a car at a stop sign). In this mode the train is humming. That might be what they call "float" in the pdf.

At this point I'm lost. I'll test the signals as soon as can coordinate with the train owners. They're far away, and I'm not yet sure I'm ready to test.

Rob, I uploaded 2 tiny movies (.AVI) from the LEGO remote to show you how it blinks, but they don't show up. Each is about 3.25meg.
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The Robman · Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:23 am Post subject:

Here's what I see in your latest rtf file: