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crawfish
Joined: 19 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:42 pm Post subject: RCRP05B and 994 method not working without upgrade |
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While I have a JP1 cable and use RMIR, I recently became aware of the 994 method to enter commands by hand. If this could be used without applying an upgrade, it would be great for people who just need a handful of commands to teach another remote. However, I can't get it working unless I previously have applied the upgrade containing the EFCs I want. In particular, I'm using a Panasonic TV upgrade with Setup Code 1250, and I've tried all the RCRP05B's Panasonic TV codes without success, including 250, the first one in the list. In each case, the RCA accepts the command and transmits something when I press the button, but it doesn't have any effect on the TV. I have to apply the upgrade before 994 works, which defeats the purpose of the exercise. Is there any way to get the EFCs from the upgrade working in a remote that is set to the corresponding built-in code, that doesn't have the upgrade installed? |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: RCRP05B and 994 method not working without upgrade |
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crawfish wrote: | If this could be used without applying an upgrade, it would be great for people who just need a handful of commands to teach another remote. |
There is an art to this. You may notice in the code search template we always ask if the user has a partially working setup code.
In order for an EFC to work, we need to have an upgrade in the remote that has the correct fixed data. Sometimes we need to recalculate the EFC's to work with a different executor, or if a combo code has the fixed data in a different order.
Your remote requires 5 digit EFCs. So if you have 3 digit EFC's you need to put 00 in front of the 3 digit EFC. Five digit EFC's are a lot more powerful than 3 digit EFCs. These 5-digit EFCs let you work with combo codes.
If you want to share more, we can help you get a better understanding of the art. |
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crawfish
Joined: 19 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! There are both 5 and 3 digit EFCs in the upgrade I was using:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=6902
The 5 digit codes I tried don't work unless the upgrade has been installed. However, the corresponding 3 digit codes do work sans upgrade with 00 prepended. I thought I had tried that, but maybe not, or I made some other mistake. Is this something that normally works? Or do some upgrades have codes that will work only with the upgrade installed? |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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This is a perfect example of a need to recalculate the EFC's
The upgrade you linked to used a Panasonic Combo executor. This Executor is not in the RCRp05b. The upgrade uses these device subdevice combinations (128.0, 128.4, and 128.9).
The RCRP05b has a simple Panasonic executor, that can be used to send one device- subdevice combination and a Panasonic Mixed combo that can be used to send up to 4 device-subdevice combinations.
The next step is to find a setup code with the right fixed data. You were in luck as there were several candidates. I found this out by using the Lookup Tool(see link at top of the page). I looked at TV/0250 and TV/0650.
Setup TV/0250 uses a simple Panasonic executor. This setup code is capable of sending any of the 128.0 functions, which covers most of the functions in the upgrade.
Setup TV/0650 uses a Panasonic MIXED Combo. The fixed data associated with this code allows us to send functions with device/subdevice combinations of 128.0, 128.1, 128.4, 128.9 . Since your remote uses 5 digit EFC's you can take advantage of this setup code to send all the functions you would need.
I opened a second session of RM and chose RCAP05b and then looked at the Pansonic Mix and Mixed protocol to see which one was built into the remote. (I could tell by looking at the Output tab and seeing No Protocol required)
I then put the parameters that got the same fixed data as the code as I saw in the lookup table a=128, b=0, c=1, d=4, e=9.
I copied and pasted the function names and OBCs from the original upgrade,
to the new upgrade. And then adjusted the device and subdevices as necessary.
Below are the EFCs that were calculated to work with TV/0650 . They are dependent on the fixed data order, so if you were to use a different setup code with different fixed data, you would need to recalculate the EFC's based on the data order.
Code: | 5 digit Dev, sub, obc, function name
EFCs
40741 128 0 82 Menu
29221 128 0 15 Sleep
20517 128 0 61 Power
03365 128 0 32 VOL+
04389 128 0 33 VOL-
53029 128 0 50 Mute
24357 128 0 74 Up
25381 128 0 75 Down
24101 128 0 78 Left
25125 128 0 79 Right
61477 128 0 5 TV/VIDEO
44325 128 0 16 1
45349 128 0 17 2
44837 128 0 18 3
45861 128 0 19 4
44069 128 0 20 5
45093 128 0 21 6
44581 128 0 22 7
45605 128 0 23 8
11557 128 0 24 9
12581 128 0 25 0
61733 128 0 1 Discrete Input - Composite 1
61221 128 0 2 Discrete Input - Composite 2
62245 128 0 3 Discrete Input - Composite 3
16165 128 0 122 Discrete Input - PC
20005 128 0 62 Discrete Power On
52261 128 0 52 CH+
53285 128 0 53 CH-
18981 128 0 255 Self Check
21029 128 0 63 Discrete Power Off
20773 128 0 57 Recall
48421 128 0 112 Color Button - Red
49445 128 0 113 Color Button - Green
48933 128 0 114 Color Button - Yellow
49957 128 0 115 Color Button - Blue
43813 128 0 211 Exit
24869 128 0 73 Select
54053 128 0 51 SAP
35365 128 0 239 Viera Tools
42277 128 0 208 PROG-
53797 128 0 55 R-TUNE
60965 128 0 6 Picture Menu
41253 128 0 81 Sound Menu
61989 128 0 7 Sound Select
56357 128 0 68 Brightness Up
57381 128 0 69 Brightness Down
57125 128 0 66 Contrast Up
58149 128 0 67 Contrast Dn
40229 128 0 80 Picture Select
31781 128 0 108 TUning
09765 128 0 222 Aspect
54561 128 4 176 Discrete Input - HDMI 1
55585 128 4 177 Discrete Input - HDMI 2
55073 128 4 178 Discrete Input - HDMI 3
15393 128 4 124 Discrete Input - Component 1
16423 128 4 125 Discrete Input - Component 2
39719 128 9 171 SDHC Reader
55591 128 9 177 Viera Link
47911 128 9 147 Viera Cast
60711 128 9 0 Sub Menu
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Hope that clears things up. _________________ Remember to provide feedback to let us know how the problem was solved and share your upgrades.
Tip: When creating an upgrade, always include ALL functions from the oem remote, even if you never plan on assigning them to a button. Complete function lists makes an upgrade more helpful to others.
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crawfish
Joined: 19 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, very helpful. I was unaware of the Lookup web site. I tried to apply your approach and have a couple of questions. This is what I found at Lookup:
Device: TV / 0650 Brands
Protocol: Panasonic MIX Combo;
Devices: 128; , 0 ; 1 ; 4 ;
Pid: 001F ;
Fixed: BF FB FE FF 7F DF 6F 00;
The main thing I'm missing is, where did you get the "e=9"? I tried googling /panasonic "mix combo" "mixed combo"/ but didn't find anything that compares and contrasts the protocols. I take it that "Mixed" is a superset of "Mix" and substitutable for it, but I don't see where the "e=9" comes from.
BTW, I can confirm that the EFCs you calculated work; at least the couple I tried did. I'm just not quite sure how you got there. |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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crawfish wrote: |
The main thing I'm missing is, where did you get the "e=9"? |
Well I did it by just plugging the 9 in and then watching what the fixed data is, but you can see it by looking at the fixed data as well.
Fixed: BF FB FE FF 7F DF 6F 00;
This is an LSB protocol and the executor is complemented. I could see that as soon as I plugged the 1 into RM. So what that means is you look at the hex of the fixed data and read it backwards and replacing the 0's with 1's. This is not exactly one of my strengths, as I have a mild problem with dyslexia, so I go with HOPE and a little trial and error.
FF or 1111 1111 is the 0
7F or 0111 1111 is the 1
DF or 1101 1111 is the 4
6F is 0110 1111 is going to be 9
when you reverse the binary and change the 0's and 1's you can see
0000 1001
Quote: | I was unaware of the Lookup web site |
That's one of my contributions to the JP1 world. Like you said "If this could be used without applying an upgrade, it would be great for people who just need a handful of commands to teach another remote." Well I thought the same thing, so I took Rob's spreadsheet that showed all the setup codes in the various remotes, and embellished it with a list of possible EFC's and Brands that went along with it. and then stuck it on the web for easy lookup. |
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crawfish
Joined: 19 Sep 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting. Thanks again! |
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