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jdoss



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jon_armstrong wrote:
Let's try this as an experiment, key move:

UP EFC 169
DN EFC 041
LT EFC 200
RT EFC 072

To both Numerals 1 through 4 AND the cursor keys.
See if either of those work.


You did mean using the regular TV_0150 protocol, right? I did the keymoves above, using TV_0150, to arrows and to numeric keys. I get exactly the same behavior from both groups of keys – Single keypresses are seen as two, keys held down give correct repeating behavior – fast scrolling, accelerating the longer the key is held down.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdoss wrote:
jon_armstrong wrote:
Let's try this as an experiment, key move:

UP EFC 169
DN EFC 041
LT EFC 200
RT EFC 072

To both Numerals 1 through 4 AND the cursor keys.
See if either of those work.


You did mean using the regular TV_0150 protocol, right?


Yes

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I did the keymoves above, using TV_0150, to arrows and to numeric keys. I get exactly the same behavior from both groups of keys – Single keypresses are seen as two, keys held down give correct repeating behavior – fast scrolling, accelerating the longer the key is held down.


That the behavior is identical on the numerals or cursor keys is correct. I had convinced myself in testing that the regular Mitsubishi protocol had a variation with the alternating gap between frames on the number keys. That was incorrect since I was decoding keys where I had learned commands from testing the previous protocol where I created the altenating gap!

I went back and downloaded most of the ccf files from Mitsubishi RPTV's that had WS-XXXXX and ALL the arrow keys are the same and do NOT have the alternating gap. So I have created another set of files (Mitsubishi NetCommand Frame 53.6 mS.zip) to test where I shortended up the gap between frames.

It is now set for a total frame length of 53.6 mS. The frames in TV_0150 are 2 to 3 mS longer and that MAY be why it keeps recognizing those commands as two seperate commands.

If that doesnt work, you can open the Mitsubishi_NetCommand-frame set to 53.6mS-PB.txt with Protocol Builder and adjust the timing in cell E19. First try it shorter and then longer. Increments of 1000 uS should be OK.

That sets the value of the total frame length. The 16 bits of data take up approximately hte first half frame and the remainder is a big off time aka Gap. Often the gap the TV to determine if it is a repeat of the old command or a new one.

If that still doesn't work, then go back to the set of files for the arrows and open Mitsubishi_NetCommand-PB-arrows.txt with PB and start adjusting cells E16 which controls the gap between the first two frames and E19 that contols the second gap.

In theory, shortening E19 shouild make the repeats faster and shortening E16 should make it less likely to interpret those commands as two commands rather than one.

In either case when using PB, you should make the changes then find the corresponding KM Master file and copy and paste special into the notes section of KM Master. Then you must copy the Protocol upgrade from S3C8 Protocol box into IR. KM Master converts the generic protocol generated from PB into that needed by the specific remote.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jon_armstrong wrote:
I have created another set of files (Mitsubishi NetCommand Frame 53.6 mS.zip) to test where I shortended up the gap between frames.

It is now set for a total frame length of 53.6 mS. The frames in TV_0150 are 2 to 3 mS longer and that MAY be why it keeps recognizing those commands as two seperate commands.

So far, in limited testing, that seems to work perfectly, no adjustments required. (Yay!!!)

I will go ahead and add all the keys to the KM file, test it a little more, and then upload it to the devices area, so others like "pH7_jp1" can grab a full working device upgrade.

Thank you so much for your effort! I really appreciate it.
Joe
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, assuming it does what you need, you should be able to use that protocol and device upgrade for all the regular commands as well -- so you can get it all into one device upgrade. The new protocol is very close to the built in protocol, but that one is apparently a little too long.

Assuming it all works, you might post the "TV_0150 upgrade" probably name it TV_1150 with the new protocol and all the discretes along with an explanation since I will probably forget all the details in a month.

Glad we made some progress on this!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked

Hi, I'm a complete noob to this jp1 stuff. in fact this is my first post. I just built my jp1 cable last night and downloaded the "Mitsubishi WS-55809 TV.txt" KM file and ul'ed to my new 8811. I found this exact same problem with the arrows double jumping and low and behold stumbled onto this thread.

I'm glad to hear that you already seem to have fixed the problem before I even knew there was one! I found a file "NetCommand.zip" on the jp1 groups which had arrows that worked great. Although I haven't figured out how to combine them with the TV device. But I'm sure I'll figure that out eventually.

Anyway, I guess I just want to say your efforts are appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm getting the hang of this. I've discovered discrete codes for the inputs not listed in the "Mitsubishi WS-55809 TV.txt" KM file and have added them to a new file for my 55859. These include input-5, comp-2, and VGA. I also added an A/V reset I came across in avsforum but I'm scared to actually try it. I was thinking of adding your arrow keys to the list but because they are a different protocol I'm not sure how to put them in my new KM file.

funct= EFC
Comp2= 201
Input 5= 233
VGA= 153
A/V Reset= 059
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a list of Mitsubishi TV/RPTV commands from my files. Not every command works on all models. You should be able to use any of these in the last device upgrade file that I posted in the diagnostics area (Mitsubishi NetCommand Frame 53.6 mS.zip).

The device upgrade in the zip file, Mitsubishi NetCommand Frame 53.6 mS-KM.txt, already has the upgraded protocol that will make the arrows work correctly. That Device/Protocol upgrade should work for any of these commands since it corrects the built in protocol to a shorter frame length. What this means is that you don't need to create seperate device upgrades. You will need to copy and paste both the Device AND Protocol upgrade into IR.

The Mitsubishi NetCommand Frame 53.6 mS-PB.txt is FYI and you don't need to do anything with it since it is used with Protocol Builder and I have already put it in the right place in the device upgrade.

FYI, the device upgrade is set up to use OBC (not EFC) but I have included both in the list below so you have a cross reference.

Since I don't have any Mitsubishi gear I can't tell you if any of these commands will get you in a service mode or do something like erase your settings. I have not heard of any problems. Ususally people will note any problem commands when they post them.

Mitsubishi:71 (TV/0150)

OBC EFC Function
000 181 1
001 185 9
002 183 POWER
007 186 CANCEL
008 053 2
009 057 0
010 055 CH +
011 059 A/V Reset
015 058 Ant A/B Toggle (will switch from other Input1-4)
016 117 3
018 119 CH -
023 122 SLEEP
024 245 4
026 247 Input-
027 251 INFO/Display
032 213 5
034 215 VOL +
040 085 6
042 087 VOL -
048 149 7
049 153 VGA
050 151 MUTE
052 148 Right
053 152 Enter
054 150 MOVE
056 021 8
058 023 TV/VCR, Input+
060 020 Left/SELECT
062 022 Zoom Toggle/ FORMAT
064 165 Vid
065 169 Up Arrow
066 167 Power On
069 168 INSTALL
072 037 Video
073 041 Down Arrow
074 039 Power Off (also EFC 189--OBC 128)
076 036 Ant B
080 101 ENTER/Audio (also EFC 229--OBC 88)
082 103 MENU
088 229 Audio
089 233 STB
090 231 Ant A
091 235 EXIT
097 201 Component 2
098 199 Input 1
099 203 GUIDE
101 200 Left Arrow
103 202 PiP Freeze
105 073 Component 1
106 071 Input 2
109 072 Right Arrow
111 074 Zoom Toggle (also EFC 022 --OBC 62)
113 137 ALTERNATE INPUT/DTV1
114 135 Input 3/DVD
119 138 PiP On/Off
119 138 PIP
121 009 DTV Input
122 007 Input 4/Front
127 010 SWAP
128 189 Power Off
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After testing for a week or so, I am very confidient that this new protocol works correctly for my Mits RPTV.

So, to share this success with others, I just uploaded the file:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jp1/files/3.%20Device%20Codes/TV/Mitsubishi_WS-65869_Netcommand.zip

This zip archive contains a complete KM device upgrade, including all the discrete functions, and Jon's Protocol Builder file with the new protocol.

Thanks again, Jon, for your help.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for working through the timing issues.

I had encountered the same problem when setting up a friend's Mitsubishi
with a 15-2117. I figured it was a timing issue but only had a day to get
the setup working and had too many devices to worry about at that time.

Now I can go back and fix the arrow keys.

The good news is after setting up all the macros, LKPs, and ToadTogs my
friend didn't find the need to use the arrow keys anymore, except in very
rare instances.

It seems you are actually using Net Command for what is was intended
to do (control your whole home theatre setup) where all my friend wanted
was to press 1 button and have all the proper components turned on or
off.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi all -

does anyone know the code for the "monlink" input? that's the DVI connection for the mits ws-65313.

i'm not using netcommand or anything like that...

thx!
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