JP1 Remotes

[unclemiltie]

There's a DishPVR upgrade in the files section that says that it needs two devices for device 1:0 and 1:1, what does that mean?

I also found in learning the PVR remote that there are two device ID's for the vast majority of the keys and also one key that has a different protocol


What I see:

1: a bunch of keys with Dishplayer (old) protocol and device ID 0

2: a bunch of keys with Dishplayer (old) protocol and device ID 16

3: one key with JVC-A protocol and device ID 255

I've relearned the different keys and have validated that I didn't mess something up. I'm using IR 4.01

So, how does one build an upgrade for a device that has two protcols and one of the protocols uses two device ID's?

thanks

[gjarboni]

[unclemiltie]

I re-learned this morning and still got the JVC protocol. I uploaded a subset of the keys on the 721 remote to the diagnostics area for you guys to look at. The JVC protocol is still in there. Filename is PVR721-test


As for the file for the 721 in the files area, it doesn't have all of the keys (some of which I want to use) so I'm trying to figure out what to do with it. I've never done a device combiner, where can I get help on that?


Thanks again

[unclemiltie]

The DishPVR 721 upgrade in the files section doesn't appear to use the combiner, it has the dishplayer (old) as the protocol and says that the keys that are at ID 16 have to be done in IR with keymoves. It also doesn't do all of them and all of the ones that I want will take a good bit of memory.


So, off I go to build a combiner upgrade. I've never done this before, so bear with me. I've got a couple of questions after reading the documentation:

1: there appears to be no way to set the device ID's in the combiner protocol. The Dish Boxes have a way to set up their device ID to allow you to use the UHF remote next to your neighbor who might have one as well (and to allow you to use more than one in a house) and I DO use that feature. I also have a Dish 508. I guess I could keep this one at ID 0, but is there a way to set the device ID in KM?

2: there's a section in the KM docs about "duration control" What is this and why would I want to use it? How would I figure out if I needed it?


You guys are amazingly helpful.


Thanks

[unclemiltie]

OK, on a whim I decided to change the remote ID and re-learn the codes from the original remote. I found something odd and don't understand it


With the remote set at ID 1:

Button 1: Device=0, Sub-Device=0, EFC = 146
Button PIP: Device=16, Sub-Device=0, EFC = 077

With the remote set at ID 6:

Button 1: Device=0, Sub-Device=5, EFC = 162
Button PIP: Device=16, Sub-Device=5, EFC = 093


OK, so the Device part is what sets these code sets apart, I get that.
The Sub-Device is the ID shown on the Sat info screen - 1, I get that

Why on earth would the EFC's change?

The EFC's with the ID set to 1 match up with the EFC's in the 721 upgrade on Yahoo files by the way.

label me REALLY CONFUSED!

[jon_armstrong]

What OFA remote are you using?
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-Jon

[unclemiltie]

I'm using an RCU810. I have a 15-2117 as well but haven't used that for a while to do the learning. The RCA is sort of my experimental/spare remote that I play with.

[jon_armstrong]

The reason is due to EFC's always being 8-bits and in this case the OBC is only 6-bits. In some versions of the remote ID's 1 through 4 can be set with the spare two bits. If you take the OBC and multiply by four and add 0 for ID 1, 2 for ID2 (or ID 6), 1 for ID 3, 3 for ID 4. Take that number and enter it into the IR "EFC calculator" as OBC in MSB box then you will get the same EFC as the decoder calculated.

As far as some commands using device 0 and others using device 16, that is the way Dish set it up.

I just looked at KM Master 8.12 and it does not calculate the OBC to EFC or EFC to OBC correctly. For the default ID, it does calculate the correct hex, given the right EFC
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-Jon

[forestial]

[unclemiltie]

OK, So I learn a whole bunch of codes from the remote with the SatID set to 1 (Device=0, Sub-device =0 in IR) IR Gives them to me in OBC, Hex and EFC. All with the Dishplayer(old) protocol, some with dev=0, some with dev=16 (remember, the sub-dev is used for the SatID)

Next I want tobuild a combined device with the KM device combiner:

Question 1: Which data do I use to enter the button codes? EFC,OBC or Hex? (since jon mentioned that they're not being calculated correctly in KM) Which is more reliable?

Question 2: Can I have a different ID than SatID1? If so, where do I enter the sub-device in the combiner?

Question 3: The protocol section in the combiner leaves room for me to put in the protocols (in this case 00 02) but where do I put the deviceid of 0 or 16?

Question 4: In the combiner, the second byte is nX where n is the protocol number (0 or 1 in my case) and x is optional and assumed zero? So for the second byte when the protocol is 1 do I use 1 or 10? (I'm thinking in Hex right now)


Question 5: There are 13 functions that have the ID=16, the rest are ID=0. Am I better off doing these as key moves in IR and forgetting about the combiner? (although I would like to learn and make this work)

I've posted my first crack at this in the diagnostic section labeled PVR721-combiner.txt if you want to see what I've done. IT DOES NOT WORK, but has all of the button codes in there that I found (entered as EFC's from IR)

htanks in advance for any help in my learning this.

[johnsfine]

[unclemiltie]

Thanks, I was missing something.

The instructions for doing a device combiner aren't all that clear, I read them a couple of times.

I'll give this a try tonight to see if this works!

[unclemiltie]

OK, went to KM, built an upgrade (or some part of it) for each "device" using the dishplayer protocol, device=0/16, sub-device-6

copied the protocol and fixed data into the combiner upgrade

still doesn't work

I've uploaded the upgrade to the diagnostics area

fileis named UPG-DISHPVR721-combiner-ID6-RCU810
(this is how I'm keeping all of my experimental upgrades that work in various amounts separate)

any help appreciated.


thanks again guys

[Mark Pierson]

I took a quick look at your file. Assuming the PID/Fixed Data entered in the Device Combiner table is correct, and the actual EFC's entered for all the functions are correct, I don't see any obvious problem.

Do you having working upgrades for each of the devices you used to create the combiner? If so, are you sure that the data entered in the Device Combiner matches that in the individual upgrades?

When you uploaded the DC upgrade and protocol code to IR, did you remove the individual upgrades that were already in there (if they were)? Is the proper device button set to the appropriate device type/setup code on the General tab in IR?
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Mark

[johnsfine]