JP1 Remotes

[Deacon Crusher]

Hey, been haunting these forums off and on for years, but it's time to get feet wet. I've got 2 8910s and a 9910. I'm trying to add some new devices to a couple of them and then get into customizing. I got Tommy's stupendous JP1.2/1.3 USB cable and the 1.1 adapter and have read configs from remotes and wrote one back to a remote as a test all succesfully. Now I need to create the new devices and then merge with other devices.

So, if I'm understanding the steps correctly, since I couldn't find an existing file for my device (a Sharp HT-SB300 sound bar.) I learned onto a clean remote all the keys from my soundbar remote and pulled them down with IR 8.03. I've configured the Setup tab of Keymap-master v9.21 per instructions and now I'm on the Functions tab.

2 things seem odd.

#1 the list of Functions (which seems to be a list of buttons before you edit it, doesn't include all the buttons on my remote, should it?) The L and M buttons aren't listed. (EDIT, figured this out I think, Functions is just a list of likely functions, it's on the Button Tab where you map functions to buttons that all buttons must be listed and they are so forget this question.)

#2 when I enter the EFC codes that I'm getting from IR, the HEX codes that are calculated match the ones I see in IR, but the OBC codes don't match, shouldn't they?

Thanks and thanks to all who've helped create these amazing tools. Pretty incredible stuff.

[vickyg2003]

[Deacon Crusher]

Yep, got it all.

Was working towards full clean detailed upgrades and now get that OBC is what I should use.

thanks for the quick reply.

[Deacon Crusher]

Okay, built my first 2 configs and one's a total bust and the other is a medium success.

If anyone is willing able to take a look at them and provide some advice that'd be great.

That one sort of works, but some very important buttons don't work. Change input on the device via buttons mapped to L1, L2 and L3.

This one is almost a complete failure.

Turns on the Blu-ray player and that's it.

Trying to add these to an existing config built over the years with help from one for all support and wav files, that works already with 4 or 5 devices that are already programmed on to a One for All 9910.

Files here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=9332

Thanks

[ElizabethD]

Please, post your IR file since you're refering to the L buttons.
Also, please say exactly what is not working.
I have 8910 and its relatives and can try using the widget, but the KM file is not sufficient.
KM file looks ok IF and only IF your protocol and OBC numbers are ok.
I looked at your KM file

One other thing. If you have the learned signals saved in another IR file, post the IR file with the signals. It could be they're different from what the remote expects.
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Tweeking 8910, HTPro/9811, C7-7800, 6131o, 6131n, AtlasOCAP-1056B01, RCA-RCRP05B and enjoying the ride

[Deacon Crusher]

Okay. More details. Actually I get the file I created for my LG bd550 to work fine after some tweaking. So far looks like all buttons are supported. In order to do that I did 3 things, so not sure which one fixed it.

I deleted all key moves. I remapped what buttons where mapped to what functions so that no keymoves where created. And, and this was probably the key I filled in the main device and sub-device fields inside keymap master.

However, I tried the same stuff with the Sharp HT-sb300 and it's still not working and actually, after I deleted extra Learned signals from my profile (which I think where left over from before I started this project and where part of how I've been somewhat controlling that device with this remote already) it went from working some to not at all (so I think the mild support I was seeing was because of the Key learns that were in the over all remote profile and not because of partial support from the individual profile I build with keymap master.

The IR file with the non-functioning Sharpt ht-sb300 has been added to the zip file here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=9332

and it's the misc audio with ID 2001. That's a file for a One for all 9910 and again at this point I can't control anything on that device with this profile.

I continue to feel after comparing behavior of keymap master when building profiles for the LG and for the Sharp that something odd is going on. I learned all the keys of the Sharp into my one for all and then pulled that down into IR. I did the same with my LG. When I look at the learned keys in IR and look at their EFC vs Hex vs OBC codes and then take them into keymap master there's a big difference. the LG codes that I enter into the OBC field in keymap auto generate HEX and EFC codes that match what I see in IR. The same is not true for the Sharp. IR will show codes for a learned key and when I enter the OBC into keymap master the Hex and EFC codes that it generates don't match. This seems odd/wrong and given I'm having a complete failure this seems like a good place to focus some attention??

I'm going to relearn the Sharp codes and I'll save that IR file and post it also and then if someone else is willing you can take them into keymap master and you'll see what I mean.

Here's an IR file for a one for all 9910 that has a rebuilt version from scratch now that I feel a little more comfortable with the tools, of the codes for the Sharp and they still don't work at all. It's on rcvr/amp as a misc audio device 2002. I also built a version using the EFC codes instead of OBC codes and that one is at 2003. Neither work at all. I then relearned onto of the 2003 codes and that works fine. Very curious what's up with this device as once I figured things out the LG worked so easily.

I also posted a final version of my LG MM file into the diagnostic area

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=9340

since I'm not sure you folks wanting a noob posting files anywhere else at this point.

Thanks

[vickyg2003]

[vickyg2003]

I found your IR file that contained the learns.

No wonder that upgrade didn't work. You chose NEC1 and your learns clearly indicate they follow the Sharp format.

Here is a IRP for the two signal formats
Sharp
IRP notation: {38k,264}<1,-3|1,-7>(D:5,F:8,1:2,1,-165,D:5,~F:8,2:2,1,-165)+
EFC translation: LSB

Nec1
{38.4k,564}<1,-1|1,-3>(16,-8,D:8,S:8,F:8,~F:8,1,-78,(16,-4,1,-173)*)
EFC translation: LSB comp

If you can read IRP at all, you can see that these signals don't look anything alike.

The numbers are manipulated by a subroutine to match a protocol. You've told it you want a leadin time, follwed by an 8 bit device, an 8 bit subdevice the 8 bit function, and the complement of the 8 bit function,

What you really want is a 5 bit device followed by an 8 bit function a long space and then the 5 bit device followed by the complememnt of the 8 bit function.


Not to mention that the data needs to be complemented when it is fed into the NEC1 executor.
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[The Robman]

[mdavej]

That LG upgrade is definitely not ready for prime time. Rob, unless you already fixed it, it's missing the device and subdevice and contains no discretes like the nearly identical LG BD-390 upgrade, and is using NEC1 versus NECx1 like you said.

Deacon, you probably think your LG upgrade works because you are still actually using the learned signals (same story for your sharp upgrade). It's impossible for the upgrade you posted to actually work. Download the 390 upgrade to see how yours should look (you'll see the commands in common are identical to yours).

One thing I noticed about your IR file is that you have quite a few device upgrades that aren't being used and you are running low on upgrade memory. You should delete the ones you're not using. You also have a few duplicate device upgrades.

I also noticed you have no key moves or macros. Next you should explore macros, because you're really missing out on what this remote can do if you don't use macros. For example you can have a single button turn on your devices and set the correct inputs so you don't have to always do it manually. Anytime you find yourself pressing several buttons for the same tasks everyday, those are good candidates for macros.

I think you need to review the tutorials again since you're missing some basic details in all your upgrades so far, like the protocol, device and subdevice. For your Sharp ugrade, in KM you need to pick the Sharp protocol and enter Device 26. Then the upgrade will work and the EFC, OBC and HEX will all match IR.

You need to understand these basics before you dig into IRP notation, executors, etc.

These are very common beginner mistakes, so I hope my post doesn't sound too harsh. Please do continue posting all the files involved. We could have spotted these errors immediately if we had your learns file first.

[The Robman]

The 2nd KM file that he posted has a device code of 45 and a sub-device code of 45.

Deacon, I have combined all of your diagnosis files into a single zip file, to save people from having to search for them.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=9332

I have also created an upgrade file for the sound bar here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=9343
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[Deacon Crusher]

Robman, Vicky and mdave

All I can say is WOW.

What service and support. Stupendous. I'm at work but yes, given your feedback I can visualize my mistake and I get it.

Rob, I mapped all buttons on my remote, but sounds like it's worth a try to get those other ones going. Especially the discrete off and on which feels a bit like the holly grail with these programmable remotes and macros.

Mdave, I've intentionally limited my efforts until I get passed the point of making basic mistakes, but thanks for the encouragement and definitely heading down the road you outline.

Vicky thanks again for the specifics and I'll get over my EFC interests <G> and just focus on the OBCs.

So, many details to get through the first few layers of this stuff and I was trying to follow the help files, but it's thick sledding.

Thanks to you guys I think I get it now.

[Deacon Crusher]

All working great.

Set the LG to necx1 and the sharp sound bar to sharp and everything was golden. The LG did not support those others keys and I intentionally didn't use that profile because I knew this device with it's netflix support had features the other one didn't so wanted to make sure I had all the keys with the right functions. Sound bar now working as audio punch through also which was a big goal.

I'll see if I can upload these new MM files that are working well and replace the bad ones.

How does one go about finding the discrete on/off codes if they exist?

By the way Vicki, once I got the right Protocol name in for the Sharp the OBC EFC disconnect I was seeing that was so distracting for me went away.

Thanks again all.

[vickyg2003]