JP1 Remotes

I have been away for a while and came back to the forum to work on setting up a new remote for future use and to make things even easier on the family. The problem I am having is that when I have an upgrade device code or take an already created device code from the files section and do the upgrade thing from KM 9.21 version to IR it will not carry over the mapped information for volume up and down and channel up and down and several other buttons. All the appropriate information is in key master. I think I am doing it exactly how I have in the past but I can't get all of the key in KM to show up as mapped in IR. Anyone have an idea of where I may be doing something wrong. Should I try and download an older version of KM and IR and see if it works when I have the old programs. The remote is a URC-10820N. Any help would be much appreciated.

ddsmith60 wrote:I have been away for a while and came back to the forum to work on setting up a new remote for future use and to make things even easier on the family. The problem I am having is that when I have an upgrade device code or take an already created device code from the files section and do the upgrade thing from KM 9.21 version to IR it will not carry over the mapped information for volume up and down and channel up and down and several other buttons. All the appropriate information is in key master. I think I am doing it exactly how I have in the past but I can't get all of the key in KM to show up as mapped in IR. Anyone have an idea of where I may be doing something wrong.

The most common mistake people make when creating /using an upgrade is forgetting to chose the appropriate remote in KM. Make sure you have URC-8820N/10820N selected in KM and IR before doing any copying and pasting.

If that is not the cause of your problems, we need to see some files. Post the IR and KM file in the diagnosis section with a link here, and we'll take a look.

Volume punch through set wrongly?

Are the volume "functions" assigned to the volume "buttons" in the KM file? Just because you can see codes for volume in the Functions tab doesn't mean that they've actually been assigned to physical buttons.

This is certainly another case where having the actual files involved would be worth a 1000 pictures and a million words.

We've already come up with 3 very good reasons why this volume/Channel keys of this upgrade might not be working, and there are plenty more less obvious ones. Some don't even involve user error.

The way I read the post, I'm assuming that the ddsmith is looking at the display of the keys on the devices tab in IR and not seeing any values next to volume, and channel keys. Not having them assigned, like Rob suggested, would certainly be a good reason for this. My reason would be valid too, and less obvious.

When reading the Anatomy of an upgrade
you'll notice in that post, Rob said:

I should also point out that the format of an upgrade has changed slightly with some of the newer remotes. They are now putting the full 2-byte protocol it in the beginning of the upgrade and they're using the full 12 bits of the setup code hex for the setup code.

The remote involved, the 10820N series, is one of the newer remotes that use two byte pids in the setup code, so the number table byte is moved over by a byte.


Here is a sample upgrade for a 10820
Upgrade Code 0 = 3C 8F (Home Auto/1167) X10 Hacked (KM v9.20)
3F 00 FE E0 05 28 38 58 48 27 60 E0 20 A0 10 90
66 26 A6 58 48 08 28 38 18 24 A5 64 A4 25 65 A7
End

Here is the same upgrade for a 10820N
Upgrade Code2 0 = 34 8F (Home Auto/1167) X10 Hacked (KM v9.20)
01 3F 00 FE E0 05 28 38 58 48 27 60 E0 20 A0 10
90 66 26 A6 58 48 08 28 38 18 24 A5 64 A4 25 65
A7
End

See how everything shifts over. If the upgrade used a numbers table, but was formatted for the wrong remote, the volume and channel keys would be in the wrong area, and not only would the Volume and Channel keys not work, the remote would probably continually reset if the Pid was invalid, and at best none of the signals would work for the equipment, not just the volume and channel keys.

But we'll have to wait and see.....

I just want to say in advance a big Thank You to all involved in this forum. Your help throughout my time here has been great. I'm sure my problem is due to the thick layer of rust building up from non use. These are the files that I am using to try and make it happen.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=9179
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=9181
Let me know where I am messing things up. I can take it. Thanks again.

Me thinks you've done a lot of playing trying to get this up and running.

I really understand exactly where you are coming back after a long absence. When I came back in 2006, I was reduced to tears.

The IR file that you posted doesn't have "Not Mapped" messages next to the Volume and channel keys. However it is not mapped correctly. It has an extra 00 at the beginning of the upgrade that is causing the mapping to be wrong. The Notes are missing too, so I am wondering how you did your copy.



When you copy you should push that little orange icon and that will put a dotted outline around the upgrade and get everything you need and prompt you about changing over to IR. (Sometimes it takes a press or two before you get the dotted outline and message.)

Also note that had a a *** The Protocol Code below is REQUIRED for this Upgrade *** message.

You also have a little black message that says PID 01 1A is a resident protocol

So what's a person to do. In this case the upgrade was built with an old version of 011A that only was a 2 combo, but your remote has the newer 4 device combo. You can proceed one of two ways. You can change the upgrade to use the 4 device combo, or you can copy over the required protocol upgrade, but you did neither.

In this case the best course of action would be to change to the Nec 4 Dev Combo and then copy the upgrade from KM and repaste the device in IR again.



P.S. I wondered how you got the NOT Mapped message. I found that if you had pasted this upgrade into the 10820 instead of a 10820N you would have gotten that message on the volume and channel keys.


Bottom line,
the setup code needs to match the protocol and the remote.

Vicky, although I saw the same "cause" as you (the extra 00 leading off the Device upgrade), I think you're off on a few observations. If you open his IR file, the protocol upgrade is indeed installed, so he got that right. Also, if you look at the Device upgrade in IR's Devices Tab, the button mappings are displayed there, and indeed display "Not Mapped" for the keys he discusses, so the only mystery really is where did that superfluous leading 00 cone from. The immediate fix is to open the device upgrade IN IR.EXE and simply delete that leading 00, and save it, and suddenly everything is hunky-dory.

So the answer to your initial question "What am I missing?" is "Nothing!". You actually have TOO MUCH in your upgrade, not too little! Delete that leading "00" and it'll be fine.

Of course the next level witch-hunt is to find how that extra "00" got in there in the first place!

Capn Trips wrote:Vicky, although I saw the same "cause" as you (the extra 00 leading off the Device upgrade), I think you're off on a few observations. If you open his IR file, the protocol upgrade is indeed installed, so he got that right. Also, if you look at the Device upgrade in IR's Devices Tab, the button mappings are displayed there, and indeed display "Not Mapped" for the keys he discusses, so the only mystery really is where did that superfluous leading 00 cone from. The immediate fix is to open the device upgrade IN IR.EXE and simply delete that leading 00, and save it, and suddenly everything is hunky-dory.

Capn, you are so right! I had several copies of IR open, trying to figure out what dd was doing, and apparently the one that didn't have the protocol copied over was one of the ones I did.

I still wonder where the 00 came from.

It was the way I was copying the device upgrade and the protocol using KM. Like I said it has been a long time and I was trying to do it the way I thought I used to do it. Essentially a CTRL C and CTRL V but I wasn't copying it all. I'm sure it will work great now. Yes, I have been messing with the stuff in KM to customize for my setup. It will make things easier when setting up the remote. I love being able to customize for my individual needs. I'm not a smart person when it comes to this stuff but I am smart enough to recognize the are some really smart people here who are extremely helpful. Thanks again.

Good to know you're back on track. The smart thing to do is do what you did and ask for help, as all of us have at some point and often continue to do. If you make any upgrades for new equipment not already in the File Section then please upload them.

ddsmith60 wrote:It was the way I was copying the device upgrade and the protocol using KM. Like I said it has been a long time and I was trying to do it the way I thought I used to do it. Essentially a CTRL C and CTRL V but I wasn't copying it all.

Ctrl C and Ctrl V will work just fine, but you have to copy everything from the word Upgrade through the word End. To ensure that people capture it correctly there is that button that selects everything for you.

I'm sure it will work great now. Yes, I have been messing with the stuff in KM to customize for my setup. It will make things easier when setting up the remote. I love being able to customize for my individual needs.

I hope it works well. JP1 can certainly tame a home entertainment setup, but it does take specialized knowledge. I found the initial learning curve quite daunting, but the results were incredible and well worth the effort. However as I mentioned above, when I was away from the forums for several years and then came back, so much had changed that I was starting over at square one. I just sat at my computer and cried. Then I came to the forums and whined. The capn was my lifeline. [/b]

vickyg2003 wrote:I just sat at my computer and cried.

Really? wow, well you've certainly made up for it since. But I hope you learned your lesson and never leave the forums again.

The Robman wrote:

vickyg2003 wrote:I just sat at my computer and cried.

Really? wow, well you've certainly made up for it since. But I hope you learned your lesson and never leave the forums again.

Oh yes, I've found for me, that JP1 is a use it or lose it type knowledge. I personally don't have much need to use it, as my equipment stays very stable for years at a time, so I stick around the forums to keep my knowledge in tact. .

In 2006, I bought my first pieces of equipment that I needed to add an upgrade for. I struggled with that for about a month. I got the upgrades in, only to find that I ran out of keymove macro space. I bought newer JP1 remotes with hopes that I could get by, but that didn't help. I needed to use an extender, and that's when I disolved into tears! Little did I know that I was crying for the wrong reason. The extenders were relatively easy to use once I had the capn holding my hand, but then once you use an extender HOW COULD YOU EVER GO BACK!! And that's how I felt before Elizabeth turned me on to how modern extender could give you perfect automation. Then not only could you not go back, but you needed modern extender capabilities on all your remotes so you need to learn how to write extenders so that you can have one on all of your remotes. And then you start to worry about what would happen if you got a piece of equipment that didn't use a standard protocol and the forums went down so you have to learn how to write a protocol too...........
So you see, I should have been crying because I was coming down with a full blown case of JP1-itus, I just didn't know it.