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alfafox
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Location: Mexico |
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: NEED HELP ON A URC-48C20BJ0-009R |
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Hi JP1r's
I need help to reprogram a Mcintosh HR056 (URC-48C20BJ0-009R).
I bought at -www.diygadget.com- a JP1 (EEPROM) USB Cable.
I did a mistake using code 981 when I was trying to make the
a Mcintosh CD-DVD player to work separately. (it has two buttons
"light CD and light DVDDVD). I did contact Mcintosh Labs and said
there's no remote codes recover data (?).
I use Windows XP Pro SP3 and have IR.exe 8.03
but XP won't recognize the JP1 cable.
Any suggestions?
TKS |
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21238 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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I've never heard of this remote, so I can't tell you which platform it uses. How did you determine that it's an EEPROM remote, rather than a Flash remote? If you just guessed, you probably guessed wrong and that would explain why the cable isn't working. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
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alfafox
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Location: Mexico |
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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The Robman wrote: | I've never heard of this remote, so I can't tell you which platform it uses. How did you determine that it's an EEPROM remote, rather than a Flash remote? If you just guessed, you probably guessed wrong and that would explain why the cable isn't working. |
Hello Rob, you are right, I did a guess because I contacted Mcintosh Laboratories and the Manufacturer. I had no answer as to what JP1 platform is used. Anyway the JP1 USB cable won't be recognized by my OS win XP SP3. I've tried all drivers and still no success. Thank you for your answer and I hope you can tell me at least how to make the JP1 cable to work in my PC. Not the remote-
Regards,
Alejandro |
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3FG Expert
Joined: 19 May 2009 Posts: 3367
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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UEI manufactured remotes are either JP1, which uses an EEPROM, or JP1.2/1.3, which use flash memory.
The required interface cables are different. But so far, we don't know if you are having trouble getting the cable to work with your computer, or if the cable isn't able to interface to the remote.
Cable /computer: with the cable plugged into a USB port, click on Start, right click on My Computer, select Properties, then Hardware, then Device Manager. The DIY cable uses a chip made by Delcom, and it should be listed under Universal Serial Bus controllers (I don't remember the exact wording). Properties/Details should show something similar to VID_0FC5&PID_1222. If you can find this, and there aren't yellow icons associated with it, then the OS is seeing the interface cable.
Make sure in IR.exe that you are trying to access a JP1 USB interface, and not a serial or parallel or USB serial interface. (I'm not at a computer where I can see IR, so I don't remember the exact terminology used.)
Are you sure that you have pin 1 of the interface cable connected to pin 1 of the 6 pin header?
If none of this works, perhaps you really have a JP1.2/1.3 remote.
Try using the 983 command to blink back a signature. It's a long shot but maybe we'll recognize it.
Does the remote use 5 digit setup codes? Does it use 5 digit EFCs? (accessed through the 994 command.)
9XX Commands |
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21238 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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alfafox wrote: | I hope you can tell me at least how to make the JP1 cable to work in my PC. Not the remote- |
Assuming for the moment that you do indeed have the wrong cable for the remote, how would you know if the cable is working or not? _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
Please don't PM me with remote questions, post them in the forums so all the experts can help! |
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alfafox
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Location: Mexico |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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3FG wrote: | UEI manufactured remotes are either JP1, which uses an EEPROM, or JP1.2/1.3, which use flash memory.
The required interface cables are different. But so far, we don't know if you are having trouble getting the cable to work with your computer, or if the cable isn't able to interface to the remote. |
Hello and thank you for helping me.
The computer won't recognize the JP1 USB cable.
Quote: | Cable /computer: with the cable plugged into a USB port, click on Start, right click on My Computer, select Properties, then Hardware, then Device Manager. The DIY cable uses a chip made by Delcom, and it should be listed under Universal Serial Bus controllers (I don't remember the exact wording). Properties/Details should show something similar to VID_0FC5&PID_1222. If you can find this, and there aren't yellow icons associated with it, then the OS is seeing the interface cable. |
I only get a "Unknown Device" . I've tried downloading many USB drivers also from Delcom but no results. I'll try to install the OS again and see if that works.
Quote: | Make sure in IR.exe that you are trying to access a JP1 USB interface, and not a serial or parallel or USB serial interface. (I'm not at a computer where I can see IR, so I don't remember the exact terminology used.) |
I think I'll use the IR.exe until the USB cable is recognized.
Quote: | Are you sure that you have pin 1 of the interface cable connected to pin 1 of the 6 pin header? |
There is no indication about where Pin1 is located, neither the remote or the cable but it must be left looking downward the remote. My problem is I can't get the JP1 cable to be recignized by the OS
Quote: | If none of this works, perhaps you really have a JP1.2/1.3 remote.
Try using the 983 command to blink back a signature. It's a long shot but maybe we'll recognize it. |
I've tried that too but didn't work.
Quote: | Does the remote use 5 digit setup codes? Does it use 5 digit EFCs? (accessed through the 994 command.) |
Yes, the remote uses 5 digits but I was unable to get a Manual or help from nobody like labs, manufacturer, programers, etc..
This one of the answer I've got from 'Jetta Co. Ltd'...
"Hi Alejandro,
I suggest that you can approach UEI's services centre in USA to re-load the SIO file through the 6-pin connector.
Here is the website of UEI "http://www.uei.com/" for your information.
Best regards,
Victor Li (C. S. Li)
jetta.com.hk"
This is another...
Dear Alejandro,
The HR056 is actually the remote control used for the MCD201. However,
some functions will control other McIntosh CD Players/DVD Players.
You can try to program the remote to see if function can be restored.
Please follow the instructions below:
1. Remove and reinstall batteries.
2. Press the '1' button
3. Press the 'DVD' button - at left upper section of remote.
4. Press and hold the 'Code Set' button until the red LED flashes twice.
5. Press the following buttons "3", "1", "7", "0", "3"
6. Press the '1' button
7. Check remote operation
If this does not restore function, there is no repair available.
Best regards,
John Messemer
McIntosh Laboratory, Inc"
Thank you for your time 3FG.
Alex |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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If UEI is telling you to use 5 digit codes, chances are pretty good that this isn't an EEPROM type remote.
It is probably a FLASH remote.
Is this a Universal remote? Is there a manual to tell you how to program other devices? Is there any information on how to do a 991?
What doesn't work? _________________ Remember to provide feedback to let us know how the problem was solved and share your upgrades.
Tip: When creating an upgrade, always include ALL functions from the oem remote, even if you never plan on assigning them to a button. Complete function lists makes an upgrade more helpful to others.
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alfafox
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Location: Mexico |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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The Robman wrote: | alfafox wrote: | I hope you can tell me at least how to make the JP1 cable to work in my PC. Not the remote- |
Assuming for the moment that you do indeed have the wrong cable for the remote, how would you know if the cable is working or not? |
Hi Rob
That's a good question, how can I know that? I tried in other two
PC's with same OP system and had same results. I think it's the cable.
The bad thing is that the cable cost me $37.00 and send it back for repair
or refund the shipping will cost me $40.00- (maybe buy another one?)
Here is a link to the pictures from the remote and the JP1 circuit board.
Maybe there is a wrong color in the USB cables. Please tell me what you think,
http://www.alcione.org/00REMOTE_JP1/
Thank you for your kind help.
Alex |
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21238 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a link to the user manual for the McIntosh MCD201:
http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/downloads/product_manuals/mcd201om01.pdf
The remote is described on pages 14 and 15. It appears to be a single device remote, so there are no instructions for re-programming it. _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
Please don't PM me with remote questions, post them in the forums so all the experts can help! |
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3FG Expert
Joined: 19 May 2009 Posts: 3367
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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What IC do you have plugged in to the 20 pin socket? The pictures don't show one.
Also note that pin 1 though 6 is labeled on the DIY PCB |
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The Robman Site Owner
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 21238 Location: Chicago, IL |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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If the chip is missing, that would explain why the cable doesn't work. But even if the cable were working, if it's the wrong cable for this remote, it won't do you any good anyway.
Is there any chance that you could open up the remote and take some pics of the circuit board? _________________ Rob
www.hifi-remote.com
Please don't PM me with remote questions, post them in the forums so all the experts can help! |
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alfafox
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Location: Mexico |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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3FG wrote: | What IC do you have plugged in to the 20 pin socket? The pictures don't show one.
Also note that pin 1 though 6 is labeled on the DIY PCB |
Hi 3FG,
I am sorry, I don't know much about technical concepts
neither what is supposed (IC) to be connected.
I also noted the pin 1, now I know where is in the cable box
but there is no pin number in the circuit board nor the remote.
Please check this link for some pictures I took
from the package
http://www.alcione.org/00REMOTE_JP1/
Also you can see what I received in the package from the seller
and I don't know what the pins are for... here:
http://www.alcione.org/00REMOTE_JP1/DSC01146.jpg
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alfafox
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Location: Mexico |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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The Robman wrote: | If the chip is missing, that would explain why the cable doesn't work. But even if the cable were working, if it's the wrong cable for this remote, it won't do you any good anyway.
Is there any chance that you could open up the remote and take some pics of the circuit board? |
Thank's Rob, I don't know nothing about the missing chip
I uploaded the circuit board pics if you please take a look,
also you can see the MVP861_own.pdf file which belongs to my
CD-DVD player and has the same remote as the MCD201
in page 14.
http://www.alcione.org/00REMOTE_JP1/
Regards, |
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vickyg2003 Site Admin
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 7073 Location: Florida |
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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alfafox wrote: |
There is no indication about where Pin1 is located, neither the remote or the cable but it must be left looking downward the remote. My problem is I can't get the JP1 cable to be recignized by the OS
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If you look at the 6 pin connector on the remote, the corner with the notch in the outline around the connector is pin1.
Quote: | Does the remote use 5 digit setup codes? Does it use 5 digit EFCs? (accessed through the 994 command.) |
Yes, the remote uses 5 digits but I was unable to get a Manual or help from nobody like labs, manufacturer, programers, etc..
This one of the answer I've got from 'Jetta Co. Ltd'...
This is another...
Dear Alejandro,
The HR056 is actually the remote control used for the MCD201. However,
some functions will control other McIntosh CD Players/DVD Players.
You can try to program the remote to see if function can be restored.
Please follow the instructions below:
1. Remove and reinstall batteries.
2. Press the '1' button
3. Press the 'DVD' button - at left upper section of remote.
4. Press and hold the 'Code Set' button until the red LED flashes twice.
5. Press the following buttons "3", "1", "7", "0", "3"
6. Press the '1' button
7. Check remote operation
If this does not restore function, there is no repair available.
Best regards,
John Messemer
McIntosh Laboratory, Inc"
Thank you for your time 3FG.
Alex[/quote]
And when you pressed 3,1,7,0,3 it didn't double blink?
If not try repeating that sequence with 1,7,0,3
If not that try 3 1 2 7 3
If not that try 1,2,7,3
Chances are pretty good that this DVD/CD player uses Nec2 128.80, as I found two DVD players at remotecentral with similar model numbers.
Also see the 991 command in this post
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11675 _________________ Remember to provide feedback to let us know how the problem was solved and share your upgrades.
Tip: When creating an upgrade, always include ALL functions from the oem remote, even if you never plan on assigning them to a button. Complete function lists makes an upgrade more helpful to others.
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3FG Expert
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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1) The 20 pin IC should be the Delcom interface chip. Without this IC, there is no possibility that the OS will recognize the interface-- it isn't there! So the vendor has messed this up.
2) The remote uses a flash chip and is not a EEPROM bsed remote. So even if the interface worked perfectly, it would not be able to communicate with the remote.
3) The silkscreen on the PCB says JP1.1. That isn't conclusive, but it may mean the remote is in fact a JP1.1 remote. That would make using a cable problematic, because the JP1.1 remotes were short-lived. I think there is no ready made interface available for those remotes.
So, I think you should try to use EFC keymoves (994 command) to try to get it to work with the McIntosh. I doubt that it makes sense to try to computer program you remote if it really is JP1.1. |
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