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[Jerbo]

Hi everyone.

When creating a custom upgrade file in KM I am trying to use learned signals. Most of the learned signals (in the IR "learned signals" tab) show one line (#1, protocol, device, sub-device, etc).

For one of the learns, there are 4 lines. Lines 1 and 3 are the same, showing the Denon protocol, device 12, OBC 146, Hex Cmd 49, and EFC of 072.

Lines 2 and 4 are also the same, with the protocol being "Async11:203-213:EF.FF..EF.FF". Device is 255, subdevice is 239, OBC is 255, hex command and EFC are blank. In the "MISC" there is a bunch of Hex (EF FF FF EF, etc).

What does this all mean? How would I use it to incorporate in a KM Upgrade file? Can I just use the information from line 1, and will it work? Or is the signal complicated with numerous sequences and if so, how would I figure out how to enter it in KM?

Many of my other learns have 2 lines, with them being duplicates (just like lines 1 and 3 in my above example). Why do I see 2 lines? Is it a bad or duplicative learn, or do those 2 lines actually impact the IR signal and thus would create a complication in entering the information into KM?

[vickyg2003]

[Jerbo]

sure, but, stupid question, how do I upload my IR file? When I click on "post reply", I don't see any button that would enable me to upload a file. Sorry if it's obvious, but I'm not finding it (could be a tired thing). thanks

[The Robman]

[Jerbo]

Robman you are too fast. I just realized that and by the time I got back in you had already replied.

OK here is a link to my IR file. Please look at the learned signal for DVD 1S (RS 15-2104 remote). I am confused about lines 2 and 4 with the ASYNC protocol.

Also, if you look at most of my other learns, they are 2 lines with a repeat on both lines (identical). I assume this is not normal and I must have a bad learning technique?

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=8782

[Jerbo]

Hi,

In followup to the learned signals discussion, one of my learns (DVD 2S) uses the Denon-K format. I don't see this in KM as an option. Tried playing around with the denon combo codes and do not get the right result.

I found this:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11618&highlight=denonk

(please see the 2nd post).

My question -- will this work for my setup and even though I am using KM and not RM? How do I "dump" the upgrade code and upgrade protocol shown in that thread directly (manually) into IR? (What to paste, and where). Thanks again.

[The Robman]

Generally speaking, if all of the buttons come from the same original remote, they should all use the same protocol. Of course, as with any rule, there are exceptions, but it's a good general rule.

Therefore, if you have a button that is producing unusual results, try re-learning it several times to see if the results are consistent.

Chances are good that at least some of the learns will show the same protocol as the rest of the buttons.

ps. I can't look at your IR file from this computer.
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[johnsfine]

[Jerbo]

thanks johnsfine.

I think I am good except for the Denon-K code.

There are maybe 3 (if that) of the Denon-K that will make its way onto my JP1 extended remote. As such, I really don't want to use RM as I am familiar with KM and time is not on my side right now.

What options do I have to get these couple of Denon-K signals on my extended remote using either KM or directly inside of IR w/ keymoves, etc. Obviously I can learn these signals, but when I implement the extender I lose the learned signals. Could I do a keymove inside of IR on the learned signals... and not lose it once I activate the extender?

I don't think I can use KM, as the Denon-K is not supported, and trying various combinations of "Denon" or Denon Combo (even tried Kasieyko) don't seem to work.

[vickyg2003]

[vickyg2003]

Well guess what, you CAN use the device/protocol that you found in the other thread. In RM we fill in the the device with 4, and leave oem 1 and oem 2 blank. We fill in z with 3 and the obc with 711 yields the
hex = 31 CB

Use that hex to setup your keymove.
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[Jerbo]

really? So for a maximum of 3 signals I need to learn a whole new interface. I personally love excel and have never had success with anything Java (mainly because it does not run stably on my machine).

Not sure where I go from this point.

Is it really true that there is no way within IR to just "copy" the learned signal to another key? I understand that without an actual "device code" (which doesn't exist without creating an upgrade file which I cannot do with KM) I cannot use the keymoves tab in IR to accomplish this. I'm just looking to see if there might be alternatives other than learning RM.

If I were to tackle RM, is the output process the same; i.e. "device upgrade code" and "protocol code" that I copy & paste into the respective IR tabs? If so, is it possible that one of the forum experts could create the code for me? My remote is the 15-2104, and I am in need of Denon-K code for OBC 711, which is device 4, subdevice 3, hex command "CB", and an EFC of 084. Perhaps I need to post this request somewhere else...

(Side note: Believe me, it's not that I don't want to learn RM or refuse to learn it, it's just that I'm already spending tons of time on this (which is fun, but is really pissing off the wife & kids and I wasn't planning on an RM learning curve to go along with all the other customizations i need to do... just for 1 key! (Maybe i need to reconsider the use of that one button in my setup...))

thanks for reading my rant...

[Jerbo]

[Jerbo]

[vickyg2003]

Yes I see we cross posted.