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Good afternoon

I was just wondering, I have added a Fire Stick to two different systems and those do not have IR capabilities, is there a reasonably inexpensive remote that is user programmable like the Xsights I've been using but can control these devices as well? Also have a Roku stick but at least the bigger Rokus can be IR controlled. or am I stuck with something like a Harmony Elite? I don't dislike Logitech but I do have some gear that I NEED the Xsight to control. Thanks for any advice!

If you read the following thread, it appears that you can use an adapter to control the Fire Stick using a regular remote.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewt ... p?t=101513

I have no first hand knowledge of this, but it appears you need an IReTV and a Y cable, like this ($24 on Amazon):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KPPQFF8/

If you want a Roku with IR support the premier is on sale now for $28.

https://www.roku.com/products/roku-premiere

In general the stick versions don’t support IR.

If you also need ethernet only the ultra and ultra Lt have ethernet (and support IR)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roku-Ultra-LT- ... 4563234643

The Robman wrote:If you read the following thread, it appears that you can use an adapter to control the Fire Stick using a regular remote.

I have no first hand knowledge of this, but it appears you need an IReTV and a Y cable, like this ($24 on Amazon):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KPPQFF8/

Interesting.

Has anyone documented the IR codes, or would I need to get the matching remote and learn from that as well?

Edit: Never mind, after a little searching it looks like it uses the same codes as XBox 360.

https://universalremotes.net/how-to-use ... ndant.html

jeajea wrote:If you want a Roku with IR support the premier is on sale now for $28.

https://www.roku.com/products/roku-premiere

In general the stick versions don’t support IR.

If you also need ethernet only the ultra and ultra Lt have ethernet (and support IR)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roku-Ultra-LT- ... 4563234643

Yes I am aware of the stick versions not supporting IR. I was NOT aware that the premiere was so inexpensive. I will have to look into that and see if it is missing any features I'd want; if not, you may have helped me out quite a bit, $28 is definitely doable.

The regular price of the premier is $40 and I don’t know how long the sale lasts.

Here is a model comparison


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roku

n8nagel wrote:

The Robman wrote:If you read the following thread, it appears that you can use an adapter to control the Fire Stick using a regular remote.

I have no first hand knowledge of this, but it appears you need an IReTV and a Y cable, like this ($24 on Amazon):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KPPQFF8/

Interesting.

Has anyone documented the IR codes, or would I need to get the matching remote and learn from that as well?

Edit: Never mind, after a little searching it looks like it uses the same codes as XBox 360.

https://universalremotes.net/how-to-use ... ndant.html

Sorry, I forgot to paste the URL of the thread that I found that explains this:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewt ... p?t=101513

That thread includes a link to the relevant upgrade:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=25479

Great, thanks. This may take a little while as it appears Step 1 is to make an upgrade for my TV (landlord left an Insignia Fire TV in my room, and we'll see if it uses the same codes as other Insignia TVs in a minute I suppose. This is made more difficult as my Harmony 650 has dead keys again, after I've treated it with conductive paint several different times. I think this TV is like a Roku box where it has an IR receiver but the included remote is actually BT.)

This is the upgrade for all Insignia Fire TVs. I has full IR support, no IReTV dongle required. And no, it's not the same as non-FireTV Insignias.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=25550

BTW, the Roku stick is the only model that can't do IR. All other models, including the cheap, tiny Express do IR.

Thank you again, that saves me some work! Wish I'd seen that before I bought a Harmony 665 (I live near a Best Buy and they had it in stock) but I am sure this is not the last time I will want to play with it.

So this looks like it might end up with me buying a new TV...

I was unable to get RMIR working on Linux (I got it up and running, but was unable to connect any of my remotes) so I bought a cheap old laptop of the same model as I already have several of (thinking in terms of parts) that had Win10 on it. After spending way too long downloading updates and then finally all of the crap you need to actually do anything on it, I have RMIR up and running... and I've downloaded the upgrade above and see that the vast majority of commands say "Doesn't work on Insignia" argh what gives... hopefully I can brute force these like I did with my housemate's BDP otherwise this is a fail.

I just tried the discrete power commands from the Harmony 665 however and they work... so all is not lost. I think the Harmony has discretes for the inputs as well, which is mission critical to making this work, as "home" on the Fire TV is basically a Fire menu, not last input.

Hah. After factoring in the purchase of the Harmony and a used laptop, I'm about 75% of the way to just buying a Harmony Elite. I gotta do things the hard way though don't I?

Do you still have your Xsight Color ARRX15G? If so, that's a learning remote so you can capture the signals for your gear from your original remotes, or from the Harmony if that works, and use the captured information to either build new upgrades or correct the existing ones.

At least tell us what brand and model you used for Harmony. As author of the upgrade in question and user of several Insignia Fire TVs, I’d love to have a full set of working commands.

Keep in mind that Home and a couple of others work the same as discrete on. So Harmony may be using that. Since I built my original upgrades from Harmony and did several brute force searches and didn’t find any other discretes, I’d like to know how I missed them.

The Robman wrote:Do you still have your Xsight Color ARRX15G? If so, that's a learning remote so you can capture the signals for your gear from your original remotes, or from the Harmony if that works, and use the captured information to either build new upgrades or correct the existing ones.

Yeppers. Actually have three of them, although one of them, it appears I need to fix because apparently my ex spilled crap on it and the up arrow button no longer works :/ (she had a nasty habit of doing that)

I have knocked together a file for it for my new bedroom mess. I had to use some of the "alt" codes for the TV, and the Harmony was using device 64.191 for most of the codes, not just 64. I changed the upgrade I was using to use 64.191. I am going to upload to diagnosis not because I feel like the Insignia TV is well programmed (I'm not yet 100% happy with it yet, but it's useable) BUT because I'm having some weirdness with input selections. If anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears. What's happening is that when I hit an activity, everything works more or less correctly, either I'll see the TV switch back to HDMI1 or else the Oppo will end up on the wrong input. I'm using the optical for TV sound as I can't seem to get ARC working. Oppo input selections are:

1. Blu-Ray Player
2. HDMI/MHL In-Front
3. HDMI In-Back
4. ARC: HDMI Out 1
5. ARC: HDMI Out 2
6. Optical In (BDP-105(D) Only)
7. Coaxial In (BDP-105(D) Only)
8. USB Audio In (BDP-105(D) Only)

HDMI switch selections are:

1. Roku Stick
2. Fire Stick (I am using this rather than the built in Fire capabilities of the TV as the TV is not mine but the Fire Stick is. This way I don't have to delete my friend's info from the TV)
3. Chromecast
4. DisplayPort to HDMI cable from laptop docking station
5. open

The only thing that I can think is that there's some interaction between the remote signals for the three devices.

This is a similar but different setup as I had at my last place; TV and HDMI switch were different but I'm basically using an Oppo BDP-105 as a DAC for HDMI sources that is downmixing sound to 4.0 and sending it to my old quadraphonic receiver and speakers (used to be a Sansui QRX-7001; currently it's a Marantz 4270 that I'm trying to thoroughly test out.)

Yes, I know that it would be far easier to use a more modern AVR. In fact I just saw an Anthem for a good price and I'm tempted... but I'm also having fun playing with this stuff.

Devices are:

Insignia NS-32DF310NA19
Protocol is NEC 4DEV Combo using devices 2.125 and 64.191 all NEC1

Oppo BDP-105
Protocol is NEC1 using device 73.182 (can change to 97.158 or 67.188)

generic HDMI switch

Protocol is NEC1 using device 1.254

I see they are all NEC1 protocol but using different devices so I'm not sure what gives

I'm confident in the Oppo upgrade as I made it myself straight off a spreadsheet from their web site. Because Oppo is awesome, they specifically call out protocol "NEC or NEC1" and give me the device and OBC in a fashion that I have come to expect from working with upgrades here previously. I'm not having any issues with the HDMI switch just the TV and Oppo.

Thanks guys... I feel like I'm almost there, just gotta play a little more.

here's the file

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=26203