RMIR Simpleset Support

yaworski · Post by **yaworski** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:14 pm

You can't assign anything to Combi Control (activity) buttons.

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:06 pm

Can you use a combi button in a macro? If so, you could put your Watch TV macro on the Red button, for example, add all your discrete power and input commands, then add the combi button at the end to leave it in the correct mode.

Post by **mathdon** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:27 am

yaworski wrote:You can't assign anything to Combi Control (activity) buttons.

What makes you say this? I have put macros on the two Combi buttons of my URC-6440 to switch my AV amp to the required input, and they work. The macro is sent in addition to the button setting the remote into the required Combo mode.

yaworski · Post by **yaworski** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:32 am

mathdon wrote:
yaworski wrote:You can't assign anything to Combi Control (activity) buttons.
What makes you say this? I have put macros on the two Combi buttons of my URC-6440 to switch my AV amp to the required input, and they work. The macro is sent in addition to the button setting the remote into the required Combo mode.

Oh, then I'm sorry. I really didn't know that this is possible.

jsmithee · Post by **jsmithee** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:35 am

Thanks for the help.

It's a shame I can't change the activity buttons on this remote as they are redundant in my usage because of that silly zapper screen. I only use device mode.

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:56 am

You can. Just put a macro on them.

Post by **mathdon** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:09 am

I have now posted RMIR v2.03 Alpha 24f. This corrects two minor issues with Simpleset support that have emerged in my recent testing. These concern incompatibilities in the way that RMIR and the remote itself perform updates, so that for example deleting some macros with RMIR and then inserting new ones with 9xx commands could potentially cause a problem. I have no evidence that anyone has experienced such problems, but this version should avoid the possibility.

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:18 am

Thanks for the update.

What's the best practice for saving/loading files for Simpleset? Should I just load/save bin files, or will RMIR files work?

yaworski · Post by **yaworski** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:25 am

mdavej wrote:Thanks for the update.

What's the best practice for saving/loading files for Simpleset? Should I just load/save bin files, or will RMIR files work?

You can load settings.bin from the remote and save it as rmir file. You need to know that only E2 area will be saved to the rmir file. To upload configuration saved to rmir file you need to first load settings.bin file (from remote or using Open dialog) and then load rmir file on top of it. Then you can upload the settings.bin to the remote or save it to disk using Save dialog. I think that this is actually a preferred way for more advanced configurations as settings.bin file doesn't keep any customized function names etc, so you would lost it if not saved to rmir file.

Edit by mathdon: You can connect a Simpleset remote and do uploads and downloads in the normal fashion, saving and loading as .rmir files. The default save of a download is as a .rmir file, but .bin is available as an option. You can load a .rmir file into RMIR and upload it to the remote exactly as normal. It takes some time, maybe around half a minute, as RMIR will download the settings.bin from the remote, merge the loaded .rmir file and upload the result, but all this is invisible to the user, it happens in the background. As Marcin says, the .rmir option is preferred as it holds notes, customised names etc. that are not uploaded to the remote and so are not present in the .bin file.

Post by **mathdon** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:08 pm

I have now posted Extender v0.01 for the URC-6440. This is a very simple, and still experimental, extender that adds just one feature, a Shift key. A brief press of the List key provides shift action. If held for more than one second, it acts as a standard List key. If no other key is pressed after Shift, shift action times out after about 10 seconds.

Full installation and uninstallation instructions are in the ReadMe file in the zip package.

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:48 pm

Nice work. I'd actually prefer to make shift a little harder to get to and not on a frequently used button. So my vote goes for the bottom right audio input / text button. Or make it assignable in RMIR.

yaworski · Post by **yaworski** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:19 pm

Nice thing is that it is possible to assign function to shifted device buttons. I've modified upgrade for my LG TV by adding discrete codes for input selection. In my case I've assigned TV input to Shift-TV and HDMI1 input to Shift-PVR.

On the other hand I don't recommend assigning shifted functions to Combi buttons (WatchTV/Movie). They send assigned function but they also switch to selected Combi mode. Unless you want something like this of course :).

mdavej wrote:Nice work. I'd actually prefer to make shift a little harder to get to and not on a frequently used button. So my vote goes for the bottom right audio input / text button. Or make it assignable in RMIR.

This is highly dependent on individual usage. For example I don't use this button at all. So personally I like where Graham put it because it is in the middle and easily accessible. I also rarely use Recall button (the one next to mute). Wherever we choose to move the shift button to I think that there will always be someone who will be unhappy.

I agree that having this button configurable would be best option but I wonder how hard it would be to actually implement this.

tranx · Post by **tranx** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:18 am

mathdon wrote:I have now posted Extender v0.01 for the URC-6440. This is a very simple, and still experimental, extender that adds just one feature, a Shift key. A brief press of the List key provides shift action. If held for more than one second, it acts as a standard List key. If no other key is pressed after Shift, shift action times out after about 10 seconds.

Full installation and uninstallation instructions are in the ReadMe file in the zip package.

Excellent. Noted that once a command has been issued in shifted mode, the mode is immediately returned to combi-mode or device mode, whichever was current before shift. So if the list command has been allocated to the list button itself, and List is pressed once the remote is put in list mode, but if pressed again within 10 seconds (and nothing has been allocated to the shift list position) no command is issued, as expected.

If the list command has been allocated to the shift-list position, and list is pressed again within 10 seconds, the list-command is issued, as would be expected. If List-hold period were to be extended, or even omitted, perhaps this offers an option for an even quicker list-command by doing a double press of the list button. I can see that press and hold could be useful for other things, is that where x-shift might come in?

Tried a double press of a number button after shift/list but presumably this has not been implemented?

Occasionally with a previous setup, when List command was only allocated to the shift button in non-shift mode, if a double press of list was done in activity mode, the mode was changed to device mode but it seems fool proof now; I think the only change has been to allocate the shift command to the list button in both the normal and the shift modes http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=12774

yaworski wrote:Nice thing is that it is possible to assign function to shifted device buttons. I've modified upgrade for my LG TV by adding discrete codes for input selection. In my case I've assigned TV input to Shift-TV and HDMI1 input to Shift-PVR.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's very nice

Post by **mathdon** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:45 am

tranx wrote:Tried a double press of a number button after shift/list but presumably this has not been implemented?

A quick reply to this one only, as I'm in a hurry. I think you misunderstand how to shift a digit button. It is not "Shift, digit, repeat digit", it is "Shift, Shift again, digit".

If this is not the issue in question, can you give more detail on what you think should happen, but doesn't?

yaworski · Post by **yaworski** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:08 am

tranx wrote: Excellent. Noted that once a command has been issued in shifted mode, the mode is immediately returned to combi-mode or device mode, whichever was current before shift. So if the list command has been allocated to the list button itself, and List is pressed once the remote is put in list mode, but if pressed again within 10 seconds (and nothing has been allocated to the shift list position) no command is issued, as expected.

I think you make it overly complicated by mixing device/combi modes with shift "mode". If you threat shift as a simple modifier for the button pressed next then you don't need to bother with device/combi modes. Just remember that the shifted button is executed in the context of currently selected mode. You can place key moves or map extra functions to shifted buttons in device upgrades so that shifted button does what you want for each device it is defined in. Or you could just assign a macro and have it executed globally as we don't have global macros for now (as far as I know :)).

tranx wrote: If the list command has been allocated to the shift-list position, and list is pressed again within 10 seconds, the list-command is issued, as would be expected. If List-hold period were to be extended, or even omitted, perhaps this offers an option for an even quicker list-command by doing a double press of the list button. I can see that press and hold could be useful for other things, is that where x-shift might come in?

I don't fully understand this. Double pressing shift button shouldn't execute Shift-List function. As Graham mentioned you need to press it two times before executing macros on digit buttons. I haven't tried it but I think that Shift-List can be executed by pressing shift (list) and then pressing it again and holding it. But be careful because there is a little "problem" with all press and hold buttons: if you press the list button twice very quickly and then hold on the second time you actually enter Setup mode :). This also works on rewind and ff buttons. As they act as Skip buttons when long pressed it would seem there is no way to send Rewind and FF continuously. But you can achieve this the same way as I described above with the list button. Press it quickly two times and hold down on second time.