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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:03 pm
by tennessee titan
"These remotes really need to have an extender to be useful."

Pretty all encompassing statement. I ( and probably many others) have used both of these remotes for a number of years without extenders, and I have found them quite "useful"......

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:18 pm
by vickyg2003
tennessee titan wrote:"These remotes really need to have an extender to be useful."

Pretty all encompassing statement. I ( and probably many others) have used both of these remotes for a number of years without extenders, and I have found them quite "useful"......
Okay, they are fine for basic control of the TV but the remote wants to be cable remote. Being used to having full control of all my devices I found the cable centric nature of the remote to be difficult to work with without the extender.

If the Comcast remote was my first universal remote, I doubt that I would ever have fallen in love with universal remotes.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:39 pm
by mdavej
Depends on what you're used to. Once you use an extender, it's hard to go back. I find LKP's so natural and intuitive, that it's hard to do without them on unextended remotes. Mapping key sets instead of using lots of key moves is also pretty powerful, as are ToadTogs, nested macros, the list goes on.

But the beauty of JP1 is it makes all remotes much more useful whether they have an extender or not.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:45 pm
by tennessee titan
Both my Comcast and my Atlas provided EVERY button for both my TV and my cable box. Also, complete control of my ReplayTV and my Panasonic DVD recorder/VCR.
Just an aside: At the moment, I don't use either. I am presently using a 10 device X10 Icon. Provides 27 programmable and labellable keys (in addition to the generic dedicated keys) for each of the 10 devices and RF control for all my X10 stuff. Most keys macro and learn (I haven't found the learning memory limit yet).