Yamaha RX-V465 AVR can't turn on w/ RCAPO5b

[stevethebrain]

1. Device: Yamaha RX-V465
2. Type of device: AVR audio reciever
3. Year: 2010
4. JP1/UEI Remote model: RCAPO5b
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? No
6. Still have original remote? No
7. Checked the file section? yes
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? no
9. Partially working setup code? can turn off w/ power can't turn on
10. Learning remote question? no
11. Have you tried the no

I belive the Yamaha requires one button for on another button for off.

I would like to use the on demand button for on.

I have been trying to use the Green and the on demand button unsuccsefully.
here's what I'm doing
w/ Yamaha turned on.

the power button still turns the Yamaha off (I managed that w/ the 1276 code) green button still won't turn on even if I shift then green.

procedure for turning Yamaha on
1. press AUD. in devices on the top.

2.press & hold setup untill I observe 2 blinks from AUD.

3.press 994

4.press setup

5.press 00248

6.press setup then green button


procedure for turning Yamaha off
1. press AUD. in devices on the top.

2.press & hold setup untill I observe 2 blinks from AUD.

3.press 994

4.press setup

5.press 00246

6.press green button

? can I continue to use the power button to turn off?

additional notes

1.w/ Yamaha turned on I can change radio channels w/ the RCAPO5B
can't adjust the volume on Yamaha yet. when I attempt volume adjustment the TV device button lights up.

haven't attemped to Volume punch though yet (it would be rebundant if I can't turn this AVR on)

2.I have been able to program my TV and DVD player.


PS I don't have the orginal Yamaha remote for a learn program.
Thanks
STB

[3FG]

STB,
Have you followed the procedure I gave you on March 17 in Post #6 of this thread? I think that was before you decided to buy the RCRP05B.

Quoting part of that post:
Assign Setup code 1476 to the Audio device button. The Power button on the remote will shut off the receiver, but won't power it on. You will need to program another button to turn on the receiver I would use the Live button (adjacent to Power) and assign 12485 to Live using the above procedure. Or, if you prefer a Power Toggle function, assign 36741 to Live. Of course you can use OnDemand instead.
[Note to JP1 experts: The Power On function EFC is 12485 Bit 5 in the hex data must be zero in order to get the subdevice sent correctly.]

Read this post for VPT . The RCRP05B handles it somewhat differently than other UEI remotes.

[stevethebrain]

Hello entering the 1476 code for power off made the differnce.

1. press AUD. in devices on the top.

2.press & hold setup untill I observe 2 blinks from AUD.

3.press 994

4.press setup

5.press 12485

6.press live button

now I can turn on & off the Yamaha

Thanks for excellent advice 3FG

next I'd like to control the volume punch though, I assumming using the same above steps w/ a VPT code?

PS you'r orginal response was for the Harmony 300 setup button the harmony works however I'm pressing way to many buttons to go from TV to DVD etc.

[stevethebrain]

I have managed to use the 993 code for the volume on TV being played though the AVR however I have to press the AUD button on the top.

next I would like some advice on assigning the AVRs HDMI 1-4 please include codes and procedure.

also please recommend a button on the RCA for each HDMI.

Thanks
STB

[3FG]

STB,
Do you want to control the receiver volume while watching TV? It appears that you didn't actually setup VPT, but instead just disabled the feature. To control the receiver volume while in TV mode:
1. Tap Audio
2. Press Setup until 2 blinks.
3. 993 (2 blinks)
4. Tap the TV device button (and any other device buttons that need VPT) 5. Tap Setup
The remote should blink twice.

Some Yamaha receiver functions can't be generated in the RCRP05B (unless you use a JP1 cable to program it). The HDMI inputs fall into that category. HDMI inputs use an IR signal we call NEC1-y1 which is a variant of the standard NEC1 signal used for most Yamaha functions. You can teach the RCRP05B these signals using the 975 command.

As I recall, you don't have the original remote. Can you learn the HDMI signals from your Harmony?

[stevethebrain]

yes I still have the Harmony 300 and the HDMI 1-4 are programmed.

I will attemp the learn function 975.I'm assumming the device mode should be AUD on the top.?

1. what 4 buttons on the RCA would you recommend for HDMI 1-4.?

2. are all button on the RCA shiftable? like they'll have 2 functions.

3.what are the 3 day buttons located just above the colored buttons labled day-on left day + on right and PG +- in the middle and are these programable?

4.I would like to program the Yamaha scene button for radio will this also be a learned function?

I have read that when using the learn function it sucks up 10 times the memory compared to the JP1 programing.

Thanks for excellent advice

[3FG]

Well, I would assign HDMI inputs to the shifted digit buttons. Once the buttons are learned, you'll need to tap Setup twice to send the signal. Tapping Setup twice is only necessary for digit buttons, and only after they have been learned. All buttons (except Power and Setup) can be shifted.

The buttons above the colored buttons are typically used in programming DVRs. They aren't assigned any signal in most Audio setup codes, so they're availble to use.

The Scene radio button also needs to be learned. Yes, learned functions use much more memory. You'll probably have room for 40-60 leanrs, however, depending on the length of the IR signal.

[ElizabethD]

I have a Yamaha box which is a relative of V465. I've used Rob's upgrade when he put in the yamaha gap protocol in. Curiously, power toggle and discrete EFCs are different than posted in this thread. Mine come out in KM as toggle=36773, on=12517, off=12005. I wonder why the difference.

As far as the Scene button - If I understand Yamaha manual for RX-V567, I do not think it's needed with a multidevice remote such as RC or any other UEI remote we have. I think Scene is RCA's idea of a universal remote. Pressing a device button, say DVD, will do what a Scene button would do if you went through the hassle of figuring out what code to even put into the Yamaha remote for a DVD player you have. Their file with their setup codes supplied on CD is enormous.

Button assignments for HDMI on shifted numbers are ok when you use an extender, but pressing shift-shift-number is a pain otherwise. How about the colored buttons A,B,C,D shifted or unshifted. Or the 2 Day and 2 Page buttons. Should be easier to use.

Just my 2 cents.

[3FG]

Liz,
I don't know why Yamaha changed the Power toggle and On/Off codes, but the codes have migrated from device 122 to device 126, and the OBC have changed too.

Regarding where to put the HDMI functions, I use a macro to completely set up the watching/listening configuration by sending discrete Power and input signals. So I would use the Pg up/dn or Day +/- buttons for the macros. If done that way, there is seldom a need to independently switch inputs. If there is a need to independently switch, then I can more easily remember which button controls which input by associating button "1" with HDMI1.

But I agree that <shift> <shift> is a pain.

[stevethebrain]

here's what I partially have.I have only programed Live as my AVR on.

I have the HDMIs on my Harmony 300 will most liky use the colored buttons on the RCA. then reserve shift colored for future use.

I would like to use the green colored button to turn on & off my sub. (it dos'nt have a 12V trigger). I hav'nt sean a code for this speaker
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as far as Yamaha scene for right now I will only require a radio scence.

my HDMI switch to TV will be my TV scene.

What I am really interested in is the day buttons directly over the colored buttons.

I record alot and will need for the magnavox 515 timer record, view titles
return.
I also record w/ my older Panasonic DMR eh75V so I will simiarl buttons
I will be satisifed if I have full control of the 515.

edit the homemade lables on the 300 are tempuary.

I will use the guide button on the RCA only tempuary for speaker setup.
so this guide button will be available for furture use.

I rarely do aone touch record so I plan on having the OTR button on the navgation to be available for future use.

My new TV has PIP so the bottom buttons of RCA will be reserved for PIP.

Lastly I have observed a rattle inside the RCA ? is this normal?

Thanks for the advice

[ElizabethD]

Regarding where to put the HDMI functions, I use a macro to completely set up the watching/listening configuration by sending discrete Power and input signals. So I would use the Pg up/dn or Day +/- buttons for the macros. If done that way, there is seldom a need to independently switch inputs. If there is a need to independently switch, then I can more easily remember which button controls which input by associating button "1" with HDMI1.

I use macros as well. Also shift-numbers for inputs. But I can never remember which input is where. So when I need to override what the macro setup for me, I use the INPUT button (aka TV/VCR) to toggle inputs which are coded both in TV and in AUD mode. Gets me there fastest.

stevethebrain, you can do the same. Don't try to replicate a remote. Instead, think of the big picture of what you need to do. When I want to watch a DVD, I need to turn on the TV if not already on, turn on DVD if not already on, set TV input to composite from DVD, set AUD input to audio from DVD ...

[mdavej]

...I have observed a rattle inside the RCA ? is this normal?

All of them do that. It's harmless.

[stevethebrain]

Hello all.

Liz I also have to do all this
"When I want to watch a DVD, I need to turn on the TV if not already on, turn on DVD if not already on, set TV input to composite from DVD, set AUD input to audio from DVD "

are you using a macro to do all this in one press?

I'm currently doing each function individually it works however there is a delay w/ the DVD coming on the TV screen, my DVD player actually starts playing when powered up even if it's not being shown on TV untill the delay is over.

w/ the Harmony 300 w/ only radio on, then pressing the macro watch TV
my AVR would turn off I'd then have to power up AVR indipentantly.

can this be avoided?

any tips on setting up multifunction one press macros?

update I have managed my first learn command I programed the RCA on demand button as my HDMI TV toggle.

I was unsucssefull programming the learned HDMI 1-4 to the colored buttons maybe I was'nt quick enought.

I think I will color code my shifted key w/ yellow tape.

?can each programable key have 3 functions w/ a double shift.

I had the understanding that this RCA could control 8 devices however there are 5 device buttons?

I'm starting to realize the potensal of the RCA 60 buttons.

Thanks
STB

[stevethebrain]

STB,
Do you want to control the receiver volume while watching TV? It appears that you didn't actually setup VPT, but instead just disabled the feature. To control the receiver volume while in TV mode:
1. Tap Audio
2. Press Setup until 2 blinks.
3. 993 (2 blinks)
4. Tap the TV device button (and any other device buttons that need VPT) 5. Tap Setup
The remote should blink twice.

Some Yamaha receiver functions can't be generated in the RCRP05B (unless you use a JP1 cable to program it). The HDMI inputs fall into that category. HDMI inputs use an IR signal we call NEC1-y1 which is a variant of the standard NEC1 signal used for most Yamaha functions. You can teach the RCRP05B these signals using the 975 command.

I'm attemping my first marco.

1. is the yamaha AV1 audio input key a coded key if yes what is the code or must it be learned?

2.what is the recommended order I enter each button?
I'm assumming first DVD,second HDMI # and third AV1.
As I recall, you don't have the original remote. Can you learn the HDMI signals from your Harmony?

? above in bold

[ElizabethD]

My replies to post from Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:51 pm

Re: "are you using a macro to do all this in one press?" [addressed to me]
Yes in a macro, but I vary things. In some remotes I do include powering on in others, or other designs I do not. At this very moment I'm keeping power things separate due to a bit of difficulties with the varying delays. So I follow a power on TV+receiver with a long press of TV or DVD to synchronise inputs. It's all much easier with the extender.

Re: "w/ the Harmony 300 w/ only radio on, then pressing the macro watch TV
my AVR would turn off I'd then have to power up AVR indipentantly.
can this be avoided?"
Most likely yes - turn off the CEC control.

Re: "?can each programable key have 3 functions w/ a double shift."
Not sure what you mean by "w/ a", but double shift is in the extender. Base for one command, shift for another, xshift for still another.

Re: "I had the understanding that this RCA could control 8 devices however there are 5 device buttons?"
Correct. Extender allows you to use 8 devices on those 5 buttons, so we code the additional 3 devices on shift-device buttons or any other place.

Re: "I'm currently doing each function individually it works however there is a delay w/ the DVD coming on the TV screen, my DVD player actually starts playing when powered up even if it's not being shown on TV untill the delay is over."
So the TV is slow switching the input to DVD? Try to reverse few macro steps. Perhaps tell the TV to switch its input earlier.