15-2137 Kameleon and modem upgrades

[BarttShelton]

I've got a RS 15-2137 (Kameleon 6-in-1) remote. As far as I can tell, it has no direct JP1 interface (I see no sign of connector pins anywhere).

Several years ago, I owned what I believe was a 15-2133 & I'm absolutely certain that I did a phone-to-faceplate upgrade, through RS phone support, which now appears to have been shut down. The 2133 kept "activating" upon the slightest movement, so I bought a 15-2137 (you can turn motion activation off) & gave the 2133 away. I know I used the 2137 on the same, obscure TV, so I'm pretty certain that I upgraded it by phone, too. It's just been too long & I didn't write any notes in the remote owner's manual.

So, I've got two issues:
1) following the non-LCD instructions in this post "appears" to get my remote in learning mode, but I'm not certain (I get three flashes & then the faceplate goes dark):
https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9278

2) Even if I can get it into modem learning, I've opened IR v 8.03 & unzipped the RDF files, but I can't make heads or tails of what I'm seeing. The RDFs appear to be bundled contols, but I can't get the Export to WAV to work, which is what I believe I'll need, assuming I can find the right file (or build it).

[vickyg2003]

I've got a RS 15-2137 (Kameleon 6-in-1) remote. As far as I can tell, it has no direct JP1 interface (I see no sign of connector pins anywhere).

Several years ago, I owned what I believe was a 15-2133 & I'm absolutely certain that I did a phone-to-faceplate upgrade, through RS phone support, which now appears to have been shut down. The 2133 kept "activating" upon the slightest movement, so I bought a 15-2137 (you can turn motion activation off) & gave the 2133 away. I know I used the 2137 on the same, obscure TV, so I'm pretty certain that I upgraded it by phone, too. It's just been too long & I didn't write any notes in the remote owner's manual.

I couldn't find any rdf that says 15-2137. Are you sure there is really no "sign of conector pins"?
The sign would be 6 pads or holes [:::]. In order for us to create an RDF we need to know the specifics of the remote. To do that someone needs to connect with a cable to read the EEPROM.

2) Even if I can get it into modem learning, I've opened IR v 8.03 & unzipped the RDF files, but I can't make heads or tails of what I'm seeing. The RDFs appear to be bundled contols, but I can't get the Export to WAV to work, which is what I believe I'll need, assuming I can find the right file (or build it).

To create a WAV file, you need to download IRToWav. From IR you need to Set Directory and set a path to IRToWav and to the RDFs. But that isn't going to do you any good unless you can find a 15-2137 RDF which I couldn't find. The Export to WAV needs the RDF to properly create an upgrade.

[The Robman]

1) following the non-LCD instructions in this post "appears" to get my remote in learning mode, but I'm not certain (I get three flashes & then the faceplate goes dark):

And just to avoid any terminology confusion, the term "learning" refers to when you put your TV remote "head to head" with your universal remote and teach it the buttons one at a time, so please don't use the term "learning" when referring to modem upgrades.

Here's the user manual for the 15-2137:
http://hifi-remote.com/manuals/manual.shtml?15-2137

You can see that there's no JP1 connector in the battery compartment. The manual does mention that the remote is equipped for modem upgrades. However, like the others have mentioned, before our JP1 tools can create modem upgrades for you, we need to know more about the remote, and we usually get that info via a JP1 connection.

[mdavej]

Just to add to the confusion, although the linked manual is the same one posted on the radio shack site for the 2137, page 31 says it's actually for a 15-2144. And Edmund recently posted in another forum that the 2137 doesn't have a modem.

[BarttShelton]

Robman, sorry for vocabulary faux pas. Just demonstrating, I guess quite loudly, that I'm a newbie.

In the battery compartment, I also see a couple of stickers.

One of those stickers reads:
URC-6133BG0
The other reads:
06A 05

mdavej, I'm not sure if there are multiple flavors of the 2137. It's been a few years, but I'm absolutely certain that I used this remote on a really, really old Technika TV (ca. 1982). To get those codes, my recollection is that I called RS support & they guided me thru a modem upgrade (hoping that's the way I'm supposed to be stating it). I know I did that exercise on what I believe was a 15-2133 & since I used my 15-2137 on the same really, really old TV, I have to assume that I had to do a modem upgrade. In addition, if I follow the steps to put a non-LCD remote into modem upgrade mode, I see behavior in the remote that is consitent with my foggy recollection of what happens when it goes into modem upgrade mode and what is described in the post; most distinctly that the screen flashes a few times & then goes completely blank.

The diagrams of the battery compartment in my paper copy & in the PDF of Robman's post are very, very similar. I'm hoping that since I appear to have no direct connectivity that I'm not hosed.

Any ideas? Or am I headed to the store to by a Logitech Harmony?

[The Robman]

I think that 15-2144 reference in the manual is a misprint. You can see that the remote in that manual is a 6 device remote, whereas the 15-2144 is a 4 device remote.

The real 15-2144 manual is here:
http://hifi-remote.com/manuals/manual.shtml?15-2144

[BarttShelton]

OK. Just read page 1 of my manaual & it clearly states (as does the PDF link in RobMan's post):
"Upgradeability – our unique telephone upgrade system ensures your remote control always has the latest setup codes when adding new devices in the future"

So that part is resolved.

RobMan, you said "we usually get that info via a JP1 connection". Is there any other way?

I'm shooting, for now, to tweak the controls for a Satellite receiver, Samsung SIR-TS360. I've got a code that gets almost everything to work, except the menu. I can hit the menu button on my remote & the menu appears, but I can't navigate w/in the menu. Hitting "menu" again causes the menu to go away.

Any ideas?

[The Robman]

Normally, if a remote like this were more common, we would get hold of one of them ourselves and hack a JP1 connector onto it, then we'd get the info that way, so the rest of you could upgrade it using the modem. But even though this remote is about 4 years old, this is the first that we've heard of anyone using it.

Before we can even use trial and error with modem upgrades, we would need to know the remote's signature. So, to that end, I will try and get the info from my contacts at UEI, but they're all out of the office at the moment, so it might take a while.

If you have a code that mostly works your device, you can program the remaining buttons using keymoves. Which setup code are you using?

[vickyg2003]

If you already went through an upgrade procedure to get your TV working, its probably still in the upgrade area, you just need to find the code that you put in there.

You might want to take a look at the Technika codes in the lookup table and see if any of those is the upgrade you added.

As far as the satellite, we'll need to know what setup code you are using.

[The Robman]

He might have wiped out the TV upgrade by starting to go through the modem upgrade process.

[BarttShelton]

I sincerly appreciate all of your efforts.

I don't know if it's worthwhile, but there's a number inside the battery compartment that I mentioned in an earlier post: URC-6133BG0.

I've got a Samsung SIR-TS360 & I've programmed the remote's CBL/SAT button for code 1276, which is straight out of the User's manual for Samsung Satellite Receiver, (see p. 39)
http://hifi-remote.com/manuals/manual.shtml?15-2137

That code gets me "almost" everything. What it doesn't let me do is navigation within the menu. I can call the menu up & close it, but nothing within the menu.

I don't have the Technika TV any more. I replaced it, so I no longer need the code I got thru the modem upgrade process. My only reason for mentioning the earlier modem upgrade was to try to get confirmation of whether my 15-2137 was, indeed, modem upgradeable.

All the evidence I have, including an in-hand, original, paper copy of my owner's manual says modem upgrades on my 15-2137 are possible; I just need the wav files. Unfortunately, Radio Shack's Customer Service is out of commission. If it helps, I am completely willing to try to restore my remote to factory defaults. I think I read something about that in the manual, but I'd have to check again.

So, I believe that means I've got a remote that is modem upgradeable, but has no relatively-easy-to-get-to, direct JP1 interface.

I've downloaded KeymapMaster, but that appears to be pre-configured for remote models & the 15-2137 isn't in its library. The 15-2133 is & 15-2138 is, but not the 15-2137.

I don't know if this helps, but I did find this post, from late 2005, that mentions the 15-2137. The post seems to boil down to a comparison between the 15-2133 & the 15-2137. Having owned both, the crucial difference, for me, was the ability to turn off the motion sensor in the 15-2137 (not possible in the 15-2133, IIRC). The post also includes replies from a UserID=The Robman (don't know if that's you).
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mb ... d.cgi?4672

[MaskedMan]

try the advanced codes here:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/cgi-bin2/ueic.cgi?HDTV_1190

[vickyg2003]

So the arrow keys don't work.

If you look at the advanced codes that MaskedMan linked to you'll see that
the 1276 code you are using uses

244 up arrow
248 down arrow
213 left arrow
246 right arrow
086 ok
250 info
084 exit


Since these are not working

197 up arrow
201 down arrow
200 left arrow
199 right arrow
069 select
152 info
088 exit

or

086 enter
190 up arrow
194 down arrow
195 left arrow
188 right arrow
086 select
250 display
084 exit

might be your menu keys.

I'm guessing that your remote uses 3 digit efcs, but it might use 5 digit efcs in which case you'd need to type in 00 and then the EFC.

To test these get your device in the menu mode, and then do a Short press of the (setup, set, magic, or P key that you start programming with) and then enter the efc for down arrow. Once you find the set that controls your menu, you can do a keymove to paste the function to your keys. Hopefully the left arrow is not a restricted key on this remote.

[BarttShelton]

OK. I'll give this a try.

Just so that I'm completely clear, I think your steps are:
1) Turn on the TV & the Sat. Receiver
2) Pull up the Sat. Receiver menu
3) While looking for a response from my Sat. Receiver, briefly press my remote's "P" key, followed by the 3 digit EFC for the down arrow (or 00+ 3 digit EFC)
4) If I see the Sat. Receiver menu focus change from the top row to the next one down, whatever code I just entered just needs to be moved (programmed?) to my down arrow.
5) If successful, repeat the exercise for the rest of the arrow keys (hoping that left arrow isn't a locked key)

[vickyg2003]

Yep that's what I want you to do. On step 3, make sure to point your remote at the device while you press the last number of the EFC.

If you hold the last number of the EFC, that will function like the key was being held down.