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Bricoliere



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: OFA7950 and learning from Kiss Reply with quote

The problem is the learning, only the Kiss DP-600, the Kiss DP-1500 (and others) the learning had worked perfectly.
I found the file RMDU correct, it works fine, but I would like to understand where mistake.
The file used is: http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=5599 is for Kiss DP-1600, different machine with the same remote control.

I learned from OFA7950 keys are completely different from those RMDU.
For example the power button has the following codes OBC (RMDU):
OBC 176 (C5) with device 22 (and works)
Since learning I:
Device 22 sub (NUL) OBC 88 EFC 174 or 166 or 190

What's wrong?

To add to the confusion, which happens if I use learning power code the Kiss does not light, but turns off their own behavior expected from the original remote, and perhaps even usable.
I believe has nothing to do with learning wrong, but precisely what happens with the remote original and OFA7950 (RMDU):
ON (physical): Kiss powered, but inactive (not ping)
Power by remote only the first time, makes a kind of boot, about 1 min. and active.
In these circumstances ping OK.
New Power pressure: in standbay, ping OK
But with the code EFC OBC 88 176 key Power brings him under the conditions pre-boot, just as on the switch.

Thanks (translated by Google)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have occasionally found that converting a remote breaks some of the settings - on the URC 7780 which I used to create it the settings are as follows

Protocol - RC-5 (00 E8)
Device 1 : 22
Device 2 : 22 (OBC > 63 checked)
Fixed Data : 09 49 09


The Power Button for instance has the following settings
EFC : 176
Device : 22,OBC<64
OBC : 40
HEX : 5C


I have transferred to a different remote (another URC 7780) and that works fine.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google doesn't always do the best of translations - so forgive me if I've not fully understood your post...

Looking online at the manual for the KISS DP-500 I noticed that the button on the Remote Control is "Standby", but the button on the actual player unit is "On/Off".

Maybe it's the same with your model.

I wonder if some of the confusion comes from the possibility that there may be separate EFCs for On/Off and Standby.

That could explain why learning from the OEM remote appears to give a different EFC to the one in the upgrade.

It could also explain the differences in behaviour you describe.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimdunn wrote:
Google doesn't always do the best of translations - so forgive me if I've not fully understood your post...
..Pazienza Crying or Very sad
@ Kevjs1982
The codes to use and work are exactly what you have brought

@ Jimdunn
The first command after power(switch) active power, the subsequent entering / leaving standby.
And this causes me problems in the macro, which is why despite having a functioning RMDU I tried learning.
More precisely, starting ON the physical power button (standby, OBC 176):
1 pressure: boot + Standby Off
2 ..n pressure: Standby On / Off
While OBC 174 is only a shutdown.

But the problem is that the codes are different for learning all the keys, Power is just one example.
Only six buttons have the exact code.
RMDU Learning
OBC EFC OBC EFC
Power 24 174 40 176
0 59 146 11 140
1 49 211 1 205
2 50 115 2 109
3 51 147 3 141
4 52 51 4 45
5 53 83 5 77
6 54 243 6 237
7 55 19 7 13
8 56 178 8 172
9 57 210 9 204
-/-- 58 114 10 108
Back 60 50 12 44
Vol+ 61 82 13 76
VOL- 3 141 19 143
CH+ 63 18 15 12
CH- 5 77 21 79
OK 17 207 17 207
Up 14 236 14 236
Down 20 47 20 47
Left 16 175 16 175
Right 18 111 18 111
Mark 6 237 22 239
TitleMenu 7 13 23 15
Subtitle 8 172 24 174
Zoom 9 204 25 206
Menu 10 108 26 110
Play Pause 27 142 27 142
Options 12 44 28 46
|<< 10 108 29 78
Stop 19 143 30 238
>>| 12 44 31 14
Setup 16 175 32 177
HDD 17 207 33 209
DVD 34 113 34 113
Erase 19 143 35 145
Audio 20 47 36 49
Kiss Online 21 79 37 81
Media Server 22 239 38 241
Angle 23 15 39 17

How to better learning?
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bricoliere wrote:

But the problem is that the codes are different for learning all the keys, Power is just one example.


Ah - I did misunderstand - I thought just Power differed.

The learned EFCs you have given in your last column seem the same as those in the upgrade you linked if I just download and open it in RM.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The learned EFCs you have given in your last column seem the same as those in the upgrade you linked if I just download and open it in RM.

Yes; bat the learning is 2 and 3 column. Compare Power.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bricoliere wrote:
Quote:
The learned EFCs you have given in your last column seem the same as those in the upgrade you linked if I just download and open it in RM.

Yes; bat the learning is 2 and 3 column. Compare Power.
Thanks


ok - your heading was:
Quote:

RMDU Learning
OBC EFC OBC EFC
Power 24 174 40 176

So I thought 'Learning EFC' was the last column.

In that case, no, I don't know why you're getting these results, sorry.

Possibilities:
>> Your OEM remote really is different to the one the upgrade was made from, and the device responds to both sets of codes.
>> Your learns are unreliable due to poor batteries in either remote, and IR is decoding them wrong.

Bad learns/decodes seem unlikely, though, because RC5 is one of the more common protocols - and your results seem consistent.

There is an "interesting" pattern - most (but not all) of the EFCs differ by +6 or -2

But I don't know how or if that helps us work out what is going on, sorry Crying or Very sad

Hopefully someone cleverer than me will read this and spot something that will help.
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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Jimdunn
Quote:

RMDU Learning
OBC EFC OBC EFC
Power 24 174 40 176

You're right, I was wrong Surprised

Error 6-(-2)=8, mmm, Byte shifted ?. Admittedly, I had not noticed. Intelligent observation.
Grazie Jimdunn
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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe if you still can't work it out, you should post:-

1. The final RM upgrade you used, after you changed it for your remote
2. Your actual IR file from your working URC-7950
and
3. Another IR file with as many learned signals as you can fit, from the original remote - with notes as to which key is which

then someone might be able to spot what is going on.

You can zip the files up together, post them in the Diagnosis Area, here:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=category&cat_id=35
using the "upload" icon at the top of that page.

Then post a link to the uploaded file(s) here.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimdunn wrote:
Maybe if you still can't work it out, you should post:-
1. The final RM upgrade you used, after you changed it for your remote
2. Your actual IR file from your working URC-7950
and
3. Another IR file with as many learned signals as you can fit, from the original remote - with notes as to which key is which

You are very helpful, but consider that:
- OFA7950 is a EU model, I think not widespread, and out of production.
- Kiss DP-600 is discontinued too
- The problem is clearly a bad communication Kiss-OFA, otherwise how could get the file RMDU with the correct codes.
- With other devices, even Kiss, the learning is perfect.
- Do not forget that works well.

If you like to spend the time to analyze a situation clearly marginal, with a good chance to get to anything, and the poor support GoogleTraducer?

But if you think he has a general utility's speech changed drastically.
G.S.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are happy that you can control your device, and there is nothing more you want to find out about the situation, then there is no need to upload anything for us to look at Smile

If you were still confused, and wanted your files to be looked at, then nobody here would think it was a waste of time.

Whatever you decide, thank you for your patience - it is you who has had to do all this in a foreign language - not me !
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimdunn wrote:
Maybe if you still can't work it out, you should post:-
1. The final RM upgrade you used, after you changed it for your remote
2. Your actual IR file from your working URC-7950
and
3. Another IR file with as many learned signals as you can fit, from the original remote - with notes as to which key is which
then someone might be able to spot what is going on.
Then post a link to the uploaded file(s) here.

OK Smile only key with same name, http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=8384.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Well - the first thing I see is something I'm going to need help with.
It seems "wrong" but I need someone to confirm this...

In your "working" rmdu the digits 1 - 9 are OBC 1 - 9
(EFC 205,109,141,045,077,237,013,172,204)

I have an RC5 based TV - digits 1 - 9 are OBC 1 - 9
(same EFCs)

In this post, http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/forums/viewpost.cgi?488147, by our very own expert, johnsfine, he says:
johnsfine wrote:
Certain functions (such as power toggle and the digits) are standardized within RC5


I looked up a random sample of about 20 RC5 devices in the 'Lookup Tool' and sure enough, they ALL had digits 1 - 9 as OBC 1 - 9.
(Well - actually the tool gives EFCs, but they match up to those above)

ok so far...everything matches, everything 'standardized' as expected Smile

However, in the IR file of "learns" you uploaded the digits are OBC 49 - 57 (all +48)
(EFC 211,115,147,051,083,243,019,178,210) (all +6 as we noticed earlier)


So the only 'different' case we have is these learns you are getting in the "Learned from Kiss DP-600.ir" file you uploaded Surprised

I don't know why this is Crying or Very sad

I'm hoping John (or someone else who might know) will see this and have an idea.
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