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SouthPaw



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:21 am    Post subject: Can you speed up macros without an extender? Reply with quote

I'm 99% sure I already know the answer to this question, but is there any way to speed up macros without the use of an extender?

I'm messing around with a RCA RCRP05B to replace my dying 8810w. I've been able to convert everything over to the RCRP05B but the only thing I miss is how fast the 8810w with extender preformed macros.

If not, does anyone know if there is an extender in the works for the RCRP05B?



Thanks,

Ronnie
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ronnie. Isn't it amazing how S-l-o-w macros run without an extender. Before there were full blown extenders for the flash remotes, there was some work done on stand alone changes to speed up macros. However, now that extenders have been written further development on macro speed changers has pretty much been abandoned.

Unclemiltie has developed all of the JP1.3 extenders up to this point, and I believe he has purchased an RCRP05B to play with. Extenders are a very time intensive project and I don't know when and if he's going to be developing a new extender for this remote.

Historically extender writing seems to written at this time of year. I believe its a kind of "tax avoidance" strategy. That is when you're sitting at the desk with all your taxpapers on one side and your toys on the other, the toys tend to win. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not kidding about it being S-l-o-w without the help of an extender... Actually I guess it really would not be THAT bad IF I did not know how fast they can be with an extender. I'm having to retrain myself to point the remote longer than I'm used to doing. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has a lot of extender functionality already:
    - device specific macros
    - pauses
    - device multiplexing
    - highly customizable volume and channel lock
    - fast macros
Other extender features like long key press macros are also finding their way into new models like the 8820N and 10820N.

EDIT: added fast macros (thanks binky!)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is for an unextended remote and only needs to be patched once. After that, you can remove the upgrades.

Save your current .IR setup.
Please make sure TV Chan Dev is TV so that in TV mode, CH+/- works in TV mode and doesn't switch over to CBL mode.
Add the two device upgrades into IR.
Assign TV/1107 to the TV device button.
Upload to the remote.
Press the TV device button, then press CH+ to set the speed to .007s or CH- to set the speed to the original .26s.
Upload your saved .IR setup to the remote.

Code:

Upgrade Code2 0 = 14 53 (TV/1107) Patch Macro Speed. Use CH+=.007s, CH-=.26s
01 FA 00 21 01 00
End

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 01 FA (S3F80) Patch for Faster Macros on UnExtended RCRP05B 3179
00 00 01 C6 CC 35 16 C6 BE 00 0F C6 CA FF 1B A6
03 00 EB 04 C6 CA FF 2A 8D FF 39 70 C0 70 C1 C6
C0 05 0D F6 01 0D 50 C1 50 C0 C6 AA 00 02 F6 47
5A 46 D3 02 76 AC 20 6B F8 B0 C6 78 CD 56 C7 7F
56 CD 80 C4 CC C0 C6 C2 FE 80 C6 C4 00 80 F6 04
4C C4 CA C0 C4 C6 C2 06 C3 80 16 C2 FE C4 BE C4
C4 C2 C6 04 BF C7 14 BE C6 26 C7 00 36 C6 00 5B
18 EB 04 42 77 6B 12 C4 BE C4 22 57 32 46 F6 FF
89 C4 C0 CA C4 C6 BE 8B B0 F6 04 4C F6 48 B2 C6
BE 00 80 C6 CA FE 80 8D 48 C6
End
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vickyg2003 wrote:


Unclemiltie has developed all of the JP1.3 extenders up to this point, and I believe he has purchased an RCRP05B to play with. Extenders are a very time intensive project and I don't know when and if he's going to be developing a new extender for this remote.

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I've said that I wanted to work on an extender for the RCA, but have not had the time to get into it. Got a new job in July and have been pretty much head down working a lot. It's on the list of stuff to do.

the issue is that I'm sure that it's more work than was the port of the Atlas to the RCA 15-13x or the Comcast. The remote works different in a lot of ways and I want to take advantage of some of the things in it. But fast (and nested) macros are one of the key advantages of extenders that the remote does not have, and needs!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

binky123 wrote:
This is for an unextended remote and only needs to be patched once. After that, you can remove the upgrades.

Save your current .IR setup.
Please make sure TV Chan Dev is TV so that in TV mode, CH+/- works in TV mode and doesn't switch over to CBL mode.
Add the two device upgrades into IR.
Assign TV/1107 to the TV device button.
Upload to the remote.
Press the TV device button, then press CH+ to set the speed to .007s or CH- to set the speed to the original .26s.
Upload your saved .IR setup to the remote.

Code:

Upgrade Code2 0 = 14 53 (TV/1107) Patch Macro Speed. Use CH+=.007s, CH-=.26s
01 FA 00 21 01 00
End

Upgrade Protocol 0 = 01 FA (S3F80) Patch for Faster Macros on UnExtended RCRP05B 3179
00 00 01 C6 CC 35 16 C6 BE 00 0F C6 CA FF 1B A6
03 00 EB 04 C6 CA FF 2A 8D FF 39 70 C0 70 C1 C6
C0 05 0D F6 01 0D 50 C1 50 C0 C6 AA 00 02 F6 47
5A 46 D3 02 76 AC 20 6B F8 B0 C6 78 CD 56 C7 7F
56 CD 80 C4 CC C0 C6 C2 FE 80 C6 C4 00 80 F6 04
4C C4 CA C0 C4 C6 C2 06 C3 80 16 C2 FE C4 BE C4
C4 C2 C6 04 BF C7 14 BE C6 26 C7 00 36 C6 00 5B
18 EB 04 42 77 6B 12 C4 BE C4 22 57 32 46 F6 FF
89 C4 C0 CA C4 C6 BE 8B B0 F6 04 4C F6 48 B2 C6
BE 00 80 C6 CA FE 80 8D 48 C6
End


Binky123, Thanks for sending me this patch earlier in a PM. I wanted to publicly thank you for it! And thank you for posting it publicly. I know mdavej is already enjoying it as well!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to add my thanks for the great patch, binky! It's quite amazing how much we can squeeze out of this inexpensive little remote, even without an extender.

Of course, I now have to add extra pauses into my start up macros so that my devices have enough time to power up before receiving their next commands. But that's such a small price to pay...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a beginner with an RCA RCRP05B, a cable and IR 8.02 which I have used with the remote for simple stuff like macros. I'd like to add this fast macro upgrade but am at a loss as how to a) Add the two device upgrades into IR and b) Assign TV/1107 to the TV device button.

Actually it is a) that has be stumped; I think b) just requires 1107 to be entered for TV in the left pane of the General tab.

Could someone give me a step by step, place tab A in slot B, walk through on this? I would be overjoyed to achieve the stated speed.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

  • Load your current setup file into IR.
  • Switch to the "Protocols" tab.
  • Click the "Add" button.
  • Copy and paste the following into the "Upgrade Protocol" box:
    Code:
    Upgrade Protocol 0 = 01 FA (S3F80) Patch for Faster Macros on UnExtended RCRP05B 3179
    00 00 01 C6 CC 35 16 C6 BE 00 0F C6 CA FF 1B A6
    03 00 EB 04 C6 CA FF 2A 8D FF 39 70 C0 70 C1 C6
    C0 05 0D F6 01 0D 50 C1 50 C0 C6 AA 00 02 F6 47
    5A 46 D3 02 76 AC 20 6B F8 B0 C6 78 CD 56 C7 7F
    56 CD 80 C4 CC C0 C6 C2 FE 80 C6 C4 00 80 F6 04
    4C C4 CA C0 C4 C6 C2 06 C3 80 16 C2 FE C4 BE C4
    C4 C2 C6 04 BF C7 14 BE C6 26 C7 00 36 C6 00 5B
    18 EB 04 42 77 6B 12 C4 BE C4 22 57 32 46 F6 FF
    89 C4 C0 CA C4 C6 BE 8B B0 F6 04 4C F6 48 B2 C6
    BE 00 80 C6 CA FE 80 8D 48 C6
    End

  • Click "OK"
  • Switch to the "Devices" tab.
  • Click "Add".
  • Copy and paste the following into the "Upgrade Device" box:
    Code:
    Upgrade Code2 0 = 14 53 (TV/1107) Patch Macro Speed. Use CH+=.007s, CH-=.26s
    01 FA 00 21 01 00
    End

  • Click "OK".
  • Switch to the "General" tab.
  • Change the TV's "Type" setting to TV and "Code" setting to 1107.
  • With your remote plugged in, select "Remote" > "Upload to Remote'.
  • Unplug cable from remote.
  • Press the TV device button on your remote.
  • Press the CH+ button to switch to fast macros.
  • Reload your original setup file into IR.
  • With your remote plugged in, select "Remote" > "Upload to Remote'.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

R2-M0 wrote:
  • Switch to the "Devices" tab.
  • Click "Add".
  • Copy and paste the following into the "Upgrade Device" box:
    Code:
    Upgrade Code2 0 = 14 53 (TV/1107) Patch Macro Speed. Use CH+=.007s, CH-=.26s
    01 FA 00 21 01 00
    End

  • Click "OK".


That is the part that I was not doing correctly. Thanks for the detailed procedure.

Unfortunately, my macros are as slow as before. And the speed varies between devices. For the DVR it is about .7 seconds per key and for the TV it is about 1.3 with or without the upgrade! I did note that when I pressed TV and then CH+ the TV button did not light. Is that to be expected? I repeated the procedure twice. And yes, I do have TV Chan Dev changed from CBL to TV.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queeny, there should be a very big difference in the macro speeds after the patch.

After you pasted the device and protocol into the IR file, uploaded the file to your remote, pressed TV Ch+, and then uploaded your original IR file you should have removed 1/4 of a second delay between macro keys.

This is not going to effect the equipment's reaction time.

The 1.3 seconds per key, is not a macro speed issue, its either a signal issue or more likely an equipment issue. For your TV are you using a built in upgrade/ or a custom upgrade? If so which upgrade are you using.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried this with my RCRP05B. I did a 981 reset, downloaded from the remote, followed the above instructions, setting the TV device to 1107, and making sure that TV Chan Dev on the General tab was set to TV.
I setup a macro: up, down, left, right, up, down, left, right, up, down.

After uploading and selecting the TV button, pressing Ch+/- provided a quck blink of the TV LED.

The 10 step macro took about 5.5 to 6 seconds to run using the longer delay, and about 3 seconds with the short delay. With short delay, while the macro is running, the LED is lit continuously, but the intensity pulses.

Binky had sent a similar upgrade for the Comcast 1067BX3 to me, and I have been using it for some time. The results for the above macro are very similar for the Comcast and RCA remotes.

BTW, the Comcast AllOn button has an 0.75 second delay between power signals, and using the short delay makes a 3-4X difference in speed for that particular button.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@vickyg2003
To take equipment response out of the equation, I pointed the remote away from the equipment wall and covered the emitter, and counted the flashes with a stopwatch running. Shouldn't that tell me how fast the remote is sending? Or does the remote pace the sending according to the capability of the device? The TV is currently using a built in code number, as is the PVR. The macros were built in IR.

@3FG
I did not get that quick blink with CH+. Maybe that indicates that the upgrade did not get activated.

I'll continue to play with this. Just yesterday I spent an hour on the phone bringing my TiVo back to life. The TiVo tech and I never could figure out just what we did that resurrected it. Perhaps I will stumble onto success with the RCA as well. But for a day or two I will be heavily involved with TurboTax.

Thanks for the assistance.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queeny wrote:
@vickyg2003
To take equipment response out of the equation, I pointed the remote away from the equipment wall and covered the emitter, and counted the flashes with a stopwatch running. Shouldn't that tell me how fast the remote is sending? Or does the remote pace the sending according to the capability of the device? The TV is currently using a built in code number, as is the PVR. The macros were built in IR.



There should barley be any dark time between the LED flashes. It should seem like a small flutter instead of a definate off. I won't go into how the signal can take time, since that doesn't seem to be what is going on here.

Quote:


@3FG
I did not get that quick blink with CH+. Maybe that indicates that the upgrade did not get activated.


Yes that indicates that the upgrade did not get activated.
If you want to upload your IR file and post a link here, we can probably spot what went wrong.
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I'll continue to play with this. Just yesterday I spent an hour on the phone bringing my TiVo back to life. The TiVo tech and I never could figure out just what we did that resurrected it. Perhaps I will stumble onto success with the RCA as well. But for a day or two I will be heavily involved with TurboTax.

Thanks for the assistance.


I admire your focus. This hobby is my escape from turbo-tax. Laughing
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