Help With TOAD Tog

dccatl · Post by **dccatl** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:31 pm

I'm trying to get a couple MACROS on 8910 set up using the 8910 extender to control my DVD player. What I'd like to accomplish is:

When I press the DVD button:
1) Switch TV to HDMI2 - for DEV_TV I have the discrete code mapped to <Prev> and this works
2) Switch my RCA HTIB audio input to Coaxial - if starting on Optical that's 3 presses of the <TV/VID> key, this works manually but not reliably in the TT
3) Turn on my Philips DVP5992 DVD player - normal power key - can't find discrete codes, works to turn on but never off - works manually
3) End up the in DVD mode

Additionally, when I press the SAT button I'd like to:
1) Switch TV to HDMI1 - for DEV_TV I have the discrete code mapped to <Enter>
2) Switch my RCA HTIB audio input to Optical - if starting on Coaxial that's 2 presses of the <TV/VID> key
3) Turn off the Philips DVP5992 DVD player
3) End up the in SAT mode

I'm thinking I'll need 2 toad togs to try to come up with discrete codes for:
1) switching the RCA HTIB audio input
2) switching the Phillips DVD player.

I've tried several combinations but nothign seems to stay in snyc, I also seem to be losing some presses of <TV/VID> key for DEV_AUD (perhaps a timing issue).

Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.

TIA
David

Post by **vickyg2003** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:00 pm

David, could you post your IR file in the diagnosis area, and place a link here so that we can examine your macros more carefully.

dccatl · Post by **dccatl** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:46 pm

Sure:

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=7738

Thanks,

dccatl · Post by **dccatl** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:18 pm

I've got most of it working now:

The HTIB device select seemed to be a timing issue, I added more TV/Vid keys to each TT and it works properly now.

The last part not working yet is the TT to turn off the DVD player (DEV_TV;5 ) it won't work when executed from the SAT Macro but works fine by itself.

The file link above has been updated with my latest IR.

Thanks,
David

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:57 pm

Try THIS and see if it makes sense. Make sure DVD is Off and HTIB is in Optical mode the first time you run the DVD macro. Everything should stay in sync after that.

The beauty of my solution is you can press DVD (or SAT) multiple times and it will never get out of sync. As long as you use "Toggle" instead of "Force On" and "Force Off" toadtogs, you'll always get out of sync.

EDIT: Looks like you were too fast for me. Mine is based on your first version. You might at least get some ideas anyway.

The general idea is to forget toggles and think in terms of the states you want to end up in.

EDIT2: Based on what Vicky says below, mine probably won't work either.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:59 pm

Hi David, The first thing I noticed about the DVD player is that its using the RC6 protocol. What is unique about the RC6 protocol is that it TOGGLES. Totally unrelated to your toad tog toggle, the signal itself has a bit that turns on and off.

If the RC6 toggles like the RC5 protocol, and since its related it probably does, it will be really nasty when it comes to working in a macro. Some protocols toggle every other frame, but the RC5 protocols toggle everytime a key is pressed. If the DVD player is in expecting the toggle bit to be set, it won't react if the toggle bit in the signal is off. I think if you are really observant you'll notice that quite often you'll have to press the DVD keys a second time to get them to react even outside of a macro.

I gave up with my RC5 device.

I hope you can beat it.

Good Luck

dccatl · Post by **dccatl** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:17 am

Thank you both. I'll keep trying a bit to see if there a solution to the DVD player power problem. Vicky may be right about the DVD not working right all along although I don't specifically remember any problems.

I've been running these device upgrades on the 8910 non-extended for over a year and they always seem to work.

I recently set up my 15-1994 extender downstairs (with a Sony HTIB and LG BD player - both of which have discrete codes) such that I can press DVD or SAT and all the configuration was automatic - I was looking forward to doing the same upstairs but it looks like I might have to go back to the old way of doing things (or replace that Philips DVD player with an LG BD player).

dccatl · Post by **dccatl** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:41 am

I went back to my un-extended version of my 8910 JP-1 and and learned a 4 iterrations of the power button from the original Philips remote. All the EFC, OBC and Hex values were the same but the Misc column contains a T=0 or T=1 for every alternating key-press. I know I'm reaching here, but is there any way to use these learned signals to consturct discrete codes? I was able to use the highlighting feature of IR to see each iterations raw data but I don't know how to get the 2 disctinct codes into an upgrade when all the OBC, EFC and Hex codes are identical.

Thanks again,

Post by **vickyg2003** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:35 am

David, when you want to turn the DVD player off, try inserting 1 or 2 "do nothing keys" like [Stop],[Stop] before the power key. At this point the Device should be looking for the same toggle bit as the remote is sending. Just because I couldn't get this to work, doesn't mean that you can't.

dccatl · Post by **dccatl** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:46 am

vickyg2003 wrote:David, when you want to turn the DVD player off, try inserting 1 or 2 "do nothing keys" like [Stop],[Stop] before the power key. At this point the Device should be looking for the same toggle bit as the remote is sending. Just because I couldn't get this to work, doesn't mean that you can't.

I tried that to no avail. For now I've given up on trying to control the DVD power from w/in the macro, I'll just deal with it by pressing another key when I'm in DVD mode. It's amazing the amount of effort we'll go through to try to eliminate one or 2 key presses

Anyway, thanks again for the help. Hope everyone has a Happy New Year.

David

mdavej · Post by **mdavej** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:48 am

Did you try my file?

dccatl · Post by **dccatl** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:21 pm

mdavej wrote:Did you try my file?

Yes I did. I'm actually using your TT for switching the HTIB box (they were much cleaner then mine and work great). However, as you suspected the DVD power TT just wouldn't work well. It was pretty reliable in turning ON the DVD player but I could never get it to turn it off.

I'm pretty happy with what I have now: Press the DVD button to switch the TV input and HTIB audio and then one more key press to turn on the DVD player - I just need to remember to turn off the DVD player before I go back to SAT.

Thanks again for all the help.

David